Proclamation-Bill 10

[Busy ECE mommy]

Do we have a confirmed "Proclamation" date for Bill 10 yet? Is it Sept/Oct/Nov?Dec of this year. Swamped with kids looking for care who are about 19-20 months old, and don't know if I can say yes, depending on when their 2nd bdays are this Fall.
Any ideas where I could find out the confirmed date? Thanks.

[CrazyEight]

As far as I know, there hasn't been a date published yet. The best we know is "early Fall."

The Ministry of Education website is probably your best bet, and CICPO is still in regular contact with Lisa MacLeod and Garfield Dunlop (the PC's who fought loudest against Bill 10) so they'll be passing on any info as soon as they get it. Technically, it can go through at any time, so it's a gamble to take on an additional under 2 now. You could have 6 months, you could have a few weeks. Not that we need to run a business, or anything :)

Sorry I don't have more concrete info, as soon as anything comes to light we'll be sure to pass it on.

[babydom]

I called the childcare ministry last wk and was told this September. Actual day in September is unknown. BUT that being said any NEW kids that come into a daycare after dec.4,2014 have to abide by the new rules. So if u already have two under two, you wouldn't be allowed to take in a new one under two.

[playfelt]

According to the calendar they are done the first week of June and not back till middle of Sept so assuming it might be one of the first things on the agenda.

http://www.ontla.on.ca/lao/en/media/common/pdf/parliamentary-calendars/2015_parliamentary_c alendar.pdf

[playfelt]

Until that happens we are able to take new kids if they will be 2 by proclamation as in until that time the DNA is in effect and that was confirmed by contact with the ministry by others no matter how much they want us to not do it. So if the children you are taking now will be 2 by mid September then I don't see an issue since by proclamation you will be incompliance with any new children that started after Dec 4 as in they are not grandfathered in.

[babydom]

If you have 2 under 2 right now you can't take another under two even if one will be two by mid sept. Because u will have three under two. If all under two started daycare before dec 4,14 then it's ok aslong by sept you will only have two under two. But because the third and new under two is starting after dec4,14 U'll be subject to fine. I know this because I called last wk and then ran into a caregiver at the park who was fined 2000$ because she had four under two but two started in February.

[Busy ECE mommy]

@babydom-As I understand it, any children in your care before Dec 4/14 will have until Jan1/16 and be grandfathered so that they may turn 2. So technically you could have 3 or 4 one year olds at one time, depending if some started last fall, and some started after the bill passed.
This needs to be clarified, as many providers think they could take on 3 new one year olds(after dec 4), as long as they are 2 by proclamation.

[babydom]

Yes busy ece mommy that's right. U can have five one yr olds now if they all started daycare before dec 4,14. But if u have two under two now u can't take new ones. Where I am not clear is if u have more then two under two now some say some have to turn two by jan but when I called I was told sept

[playfelt]

Need more information on that incident then because that is not what our association here in Ottawa is saying and they are in constant contact with the ministry and we have it in writing that we follow the current DNA rules until proclamation. Guessing there had to be some other issue at play.

What city was this in?

[babydom]

In regards with what playfelt?

[playfelt]

About where the charges were laid as in what city and what exactly was the charge as in how worded.

[playfelt]

Yes busy ece mommy that's right. U can have five one yr olds now if they all started daycare before dec 4,14. But if u have two under two now u can't take new ones. Where I am not clear is if u have more then two under two now some say some have to turn two by jan but when I called I was told sept

What we have been told is that at the time of proclamation (expected to be Sept) you must be in compliance with the 2 under 2 unless all of the children you had were with you before Dec 4 meaning they will all be two by Jan 2016 at which time your own children will also need to be included in your counts.

That means if you take on another under age 2 child now then you forfeit the grandfathering clause basically and you must be in compliance by proclamation ie Sept instead of Jan.

[Busy ECE mommy]

Thanks! I posted the same question on CIPCO's page, and no one was 100% sure either. There are so many providers in my area who don't know anything about the "proclamation" aspect of the Bill. Most are familiar with the basics on Jan1/16. There needs to be another media blitz after the offical proclamation date is announced, as most parents and some providers truly have no clue about being in ratio sooner than Jan 1/16.

[Frogsandrabbits]

The age ratios are on a daily basis? So As long as I am within the regulations DAILY I am ok?
(Mon i have my 1yr old, my 28mos old, a 1yr old, a 3.5yr old. Then Tues I have my 28mos old and both 1yr old daycare kids, my 1yr old is out with grandma)
So I have a problem when both my 1yr old daycare kids are scheduled on the same day (in combination with my 1yr old) right?

[CrazyEight]

You could have 10 one-year-olds enrolled if you wanted to, as long as you never have more than 2 under 2 in care at once, including your own.

So yes, you'd have a problem if both one-year-olds were in care at once, along with your own.

Now, this will only be a problem after Jan. 2016, because your own child doesn't count until then. If one of the three (the 2 one-year-olds and your own) have had their second birthday by that point, then you are ok. Make sense?

[Frogsandrabbits]

I believe it makes sense! LOL
Their bdays are Feb 16, Mar 21, Apr 2 - They will then all be 2 yrs old. My daughter will be 3 Jan8. So each month (Feb, Mar, Apr) I could add a one year old?
And as far as "two years old" is considered, once they are 24mos and then don't count as "under 2"?