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daycaremom9
05-19-2015, 03:54 PM
I have a mom that would prefer that I not put sunscreen on her child. She has very blonde hair and has a fair complexion. I'm worried about liability and told mom she would have to sign a liability release form. Any ideas on what should be included in this form?

BlueRose
05-19-2015, 05:09 PM
I would have the mom sign something saying that she doesn't want you putting any on her children and that she takes full responsibility if her child gets a sunburn.

Lee-Bee
05-19-2015, 06:38 PM
Has she requested an alternative? I've known families that don't use sunscreen but rather use large brimmed hats and long sleeves and long pants so no skin is exposed, they of course choose their fabrics wisely to help keep cool. What have they requested in place of sunscreen?

playfelt
05-19-2015, 07:44 PM
Agree on asking mom to provide suncare clothing and there are several lines meant to protect against sun rays, wide hat, etc. in the sense that mom needs to take responsibility knowing you are taking them out in the sun. I would also have her sign something saying that she is aware that you may be outside at any hour of the daycare day and that she does not want her child to wear sunscreen.

I don't put sunscreen on them unless I have to because I would rather they were not lathered in it every day either. We are outside from 7:30 to 9:00 and it is up to parent to apply sunscreen before coming if they want it used. We are out again after nap so after 3:15 and yard is mostly shaded. I will put on sunscreen after nap before outside if parent provides the sunscreen.

Busy ECE mommy
05-19-2015, 09:02 PM
I wouldn't let her have that option. Sunscreen is a must here. It was the same at the centre I worked at. We were told that no sunscreen falls under the "neglect" category as far as reporting a parent.

babydom
05-19-2015, 09:10 PM
Im the same. No option here. Sunscreen is a must. I do not want to deal with a sore burnt child :(

flowerchild
05-20-2015, 06:09 AM
Just curious: what's her reasoning behind no sunscreen?

I don't know what I'd do in a situation like that. I could be wrong, but doesn't sunscreen help with things like heat stroke too?

For the form, I'd include things like:

-she acknowledges that her child will be outside for up to ___ hours in a day.
-she's aware that your yard/the parks/streets etc aren't always very shaded.
-she does not want her child wear sunscreen
-she will take full responsibility for her child getting a sunburn.
-in the event of a sunburn or heat stroke, she must pick her child up immediately.
-she must provide UV protected clothing, hats, etc.

As I'm writing this out I'm not even sure that I would even agree to this....how old is the child?

5 Little Monkeys
05-20-2015, 07:35 AM
There are people who choose not to use sunscreen for various reasons. I've never had a parent not want me to put ss on but I've had a couple who sent their own because they needed different brands/types than I offer. I do think ss on their child is a choice they are allowed to have. I worked in centres and I know we had at least one child who didn't get ss on but wore appropriate clothing for outdoors.

If I had a parent request NO sunscreen than I'd do what you are doing and get them to sign a policy stating why they chose this route, that they accept full responsibility of whatever consequences may occur and that they will try to send child in a "sun safe" outfit. (Or keep a couple appropriate spares at dc to change into)

For myself, a child with no ss wouldn't be a HUGE problem as I avoid long periods of time outdoors when the UV is high and especially during 11-3 when the sun is typically the hottest (I've even heard of 10-4 but that's not a good time for our schedule)

***just a sidenote on ss....remember that for it to be affective you need to apply at least 1/2-a full shot glass size of it and at least 30 minutes prior to going outside!

cfred
05-20-2015, 07:54 AM
Perhaps she needs to see the pictures of me following a surgery 18 months ago. A tumour that ran from the side of my nose nearly all the way across to outer edge of my cheek. It was only detectable from a small, white spot on the surface. The tumour needed to be cut out, the hole refilled with something (still don't know what). To repair the facial damage, they did a 'cheek flap' repair, which is basically cutting half your face off and shifting it. I have a scar that runs from just above my top lip, all the way up the side of my nose to my inner eye, across all the way to my hairline, down the side of my face where it turns a little to make way for my ear lobe then down to about the middle of my neck.

This was from what appeared to be a tiny skin cancer. It was Basal Cell....and that's the one you DO want 'cause it won't kill you. That mum is crazy. Use the sunscreen. I am a dark haired, dark eyed woman. The staff at Sunnybrook was astounded that I had this. That little girl will fry. No negotiation....sunsc reen. It's waaaaay too important...take it from this sun worshiper who didn't think sun protection was all that big a deal.

Fun&care
05-20-2015, 08:51 AM
I wouldn't let her have that option. Sunscreen is a must here. It was the same at the centre I worked at. We were told that no sunscreen falls under the "neglect" category as far as reporting a parent.

I think calling it neglect is a little far fetched. Most parents who choose to opt out of using sunscreen do so after doing lots and lots of research and weighing the pros and cons. And to me this is the opposite of neglect, whether or not it aligns with your own personal views.

I am one of those parents who isn't 100% comfortable with sunscreen but also not 100% comfortable with no sun protection either. My kids always wear hats and clothing that protects their shoulders. We have a pretty shaded yard too. I say that you should ask that the child always wears clothing that protects her shoulders because they are the body part most likely to get burned so no muscle shirts, spaghetti straps etc and she must always wear a wide brimmed hat. You might be surprised how effective this is and how little sunscreen you need. And definitely make her sign a waiver releasing you of liability should she get a sunburn.

I've always felt that the cancer-sun exposure theory was very simplistic. We've been living under the sun for eons yet skin cancer is a relatively new disease. I think some day they will find the cause for cancer and my bet is it won't be directly related to sun exposure. I know supper healthy people who passed from cancer and other super unhealthy people who eat junk and worship the sun who are living into their 80s so how can we say that we really know anything at all!

Sun exposure has so many benefits including sufficient production of vitamin d. That being said, when to comes to kids and their fragile skin it's deifnetely best to be very careful.

AmandaKDT
05-20-2015, 08:58 AM
If it is a concern about chemicals, they could always use a mineral based "natural" sunblock.

mickyc
05-20-2015, 09:14 AM
For myself this is not something I would agree to. We spend approx 3 hours a day outdoors in summer. I have a huge yard with half sun half shade. On very hot days we still go out but play in the kids pools. The pools are always in full sun. I use sunscreen on all kids and I supply in - parents pay me $10 in May for bug spray and sunscreen. I try and limit the bug spray as much as I can (last few years have been terrible so hoping for a better year this year). I ask for hats that cover their ears but for some reason they send ball caps.

I used to have parents supply sunscreen but had so many different kinds - spf 10 to spf 60 - lotions - sprays. I buy what I find easiest with the highest spf I can get.

Wonderwiper
05-20-2015, 10:14 AM
While I am a firm believer that chemicals are not the answer for everything, I think this statement is also too simplistic....

"I've always felt that the cancer-sun exposure theory was very simplistic. We've been living under the sun for eons yet skin cancer is a relatively new disease. I think some day they will find the cause for cancer and my bet is it won't be directly related to sun exposure. I know supper healthy people who passed from cancer and other super unhealthy people who eat junk and worship the sun who are living into their 80s so how can we say that we really know anything at all!"

Of course people have been exposed to the sun forever. Live expectancy was maybe 40 years if you were lucky. When you died, you were just dead...nobody knew why. We hear more about ALL diseases now. That doesn't mean they are new.

Wonderwiper
05-20-2015, 10:17 AM
CFRED....I had a Basal Cell removed in March. Good times. Lots of long sleeves, sunscreen and floppy hats at my house!!!

cfred
05-20-2015, 10:55 AM
Fun times indeed, Wonderwiper! Did you have to be awake for yours? I was out for 5 hours....the tumour was way bigger than anyone suspected. The only good part was paired up dosage of Hydromorphone and percocet afterward ;) That made looking at my very new frankenstein look bearable....gawd...I really looked like a cyborg at the end. I would recommend that people find a sunscreen they can live with and use it! I wear a minimum of 60spf here in Canada and 110spf in Caribbean. So not worth the surgery or the scars afterward!

If you forgo sunscreen in favour of floppy hats, etc, don't forget to continue those practices on cloudy days too....UV rays are still present on cloudy days. Do what you all want, but the surgery is unpleasant!

cfred
05-20-2015, 10:58 AM
Oh...and just for fun....once you've had skin cancer, you're more prone to it. I now have a tumor on my other cheek. My surgery for this one (for which I'll be wide awake...awesome) is next month. Once you get it, you have to keep going in every 6 months to have your skin checked and your likelihood of recurrence is extremely high.

Wonderwiper
05-20-2015, 11:41 AM
Wide awake!! Much smaller than yours I suspect! Took just under an hour. It's close to my hairline by my temple so shouldn't be super visible when it's no longer red and bright white.

I always use 110...plus floppy hats etc.

cfred
05-20-2015, 12:25 PM
Yes, that's much smaller than mine. Mine was huge, though they didn't know till they cut me open. I'm really glad I was at Sunnybrook and had a kick butt plastic surgeon doing it. This next one is teeny (I think) so can be done in the office.

Yep...110 spf....the two whitest gals in Ontario ;)

daycaremom9
05-20-2015, 03:44 PM
Wanted to thank everyone for the great info. As it turns out the mom has found a natural/organic sunscreen that she feels comfortable using. I have a well shaded yard but it still would have been quite a challenge to keep her in the shade as the shade moves around the yard. We go out between
the hours of 10:00 & 11:00 in the morning and 3:30 -4:30 in the afternoon. I've been doing the water table and sprinkler in the shade in the morning which hasn't been ultra popular since it's still cool at that time but the parents pick up in the afternoon at varying times so it's inconvenient to have the kids in the water and get picked up right after.

Totally understand the threat of skin cancer, my sister has had it 3 times (basal)and now has a yearly specialist appointment. Sounds like she's been one of the lucky ones. The cancer has never appeared on her face. She went to the tanning beds a lot and said that she would smell the skin burning! That would have scared me off doing it?!

I think as time goes by there's going to be more situations of parents not wanting to use sunscreen because of the chemicals but then I think what this mom has come up with is a good compromise.

Lee-Bee
05-20-2015, 04:07 PM
Wanted to thank everyone for the great info. As it turns out the mom has found a natural/organic sunscreen that she feels comfortable using. I have a well shaded yard but it still would have been quite a challenge to keep her in the shade as the shade moves around the yard. We go out between
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Sounds good! Glad she found something to use. I can completely understand the want to skip the sunscreen. BUT I recognize that you cannot just skip it with no thought! There are a lot of 'safer' sun blocks out there but they do cost a fortune! My compromise for now has been to use this site http://www.ewg.org/2015sunscreen/ and find a 'safer' sunscreen. I went with a sunscreen with a lower rating (3 or lower) that is easily available at a decent cost. I ended up using the Banana Boat Natural Reflect Kids 50. Still has some questionable components but it is rated at 3 and is available everywhere.

With the amount that we need to use in each application I couldn't bring myself to spend $35 for a tiny bottle of the creams with the 1 rating (best safety rating). If money was in complete abundance I'd be all for it!