I have a friend with a 4 year old who is going to JK already and he is not trained. she has tried everything she can think of, but he refuses to try. She tried putting him in underwear only and he didn't seem to mind peeing and pooping in his pants. This is just to say that sometimes parents have a very ahrd time....my friend is a wonderful mother and she tries very hard to do what is right...but she is at a loss with this one. On the poop issue...yes, other kids' poop is much stinkier than my own...sometimes I feel like gagging too...but I just get through it as fast as possible. I don't use gloves, but I wash with soap and water immediately after.