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    For what it's worth.............I 'kinda' know what Michelle ws talking about. I have no formal training or education re: childcare. Before my husband and I decided this would be a new adventure for us (me) I was looking for daycare for my own little one and was SCARED at what was out there. I live east of Toronto in the Durham region and the average in both MY old and current area are $35-$40 a day. Those who charge $25-30 are before & after school care according to the daycarebear site.

    When we were interviewing I couldn't believe one woman who thought I'd pay $20 a day when she had no dck's, only ONE basket of toys, no dedicated children's area and just an icky vibe. She said she is charging a 'lower fee' but should be more since she has her ECE. umm...I don't flippen think so, not even for FREE.

    I did then meet with another woman who was a SAHM with no formal education re: childcare and the entire basement was the daycare, seperate sleep area for each kiddie, eating area w/ seats for each child, I saw schedules, routine, crafts etc. She loved those kids and to this day we meet up each week for a playgroup! She had 4 dck and charged $35

    Training or Education doesn't give anyone the automatic right to earn more than the other. It's about YOU.....You can have all the degrees in the world and still SUCK! haha

    JUST BE AWESOME!

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    I think that fees are based on what the market can 'bare' in your location ... and part of determining that is the service or program you offer, your experience and what the market is willing to pay for that ... so what I am able to charge might not be the same as what others are able to charge - it is a variable to so many things ... kinda like two hairdressors working in the SAME salon can charge different amounts for their service depending on their skill and peoples willingness to pay them that

    The 'going' rate in my neighborhood is $20 - 25 although the 'average' in the entire CITY is $35 a day - my neighborhood has a lot of people working 'under the table' for cash and offering cheap care as an incentive to not getting receipts - aka illegal childcare.

    The reality is that I would rather only have three children at $35 a day and ean $105 and be able to claim all my expenses and so forth and pay into CPP than to have 5 children at $20 and be 'full' but only earning $100 but not 'claim' anything ... the additional stress and expense of children and the lack of 'planning for retirement' just does not make sense to me.

    So there were five providers on my street when I started out and ALL had more home childcare experience than I did being 'new' however I charged MORE than they did anyway - cause I felt I was WORTH it ... and while on paper I do have an Early Childhood Education degree, am certified with my professional association and registered with the College of ECE here in Ontario and while I was new to 'home childcare' I had 17 years of experience working with children .... however IMO I was able to charge $10 a day more than all of them - not because of my 'experience or education on paper' but because my PROGRAM reflected that experience and education and INVESTMENT in my business ... prospective clients see that - experience as others said is only as good as it is APPLIED to your actual work ... I have peers who have attended way more schooling than me but who should NOT be working on the front line cause they cannot take the theory and put it into action and well that is useless also worked with others who have never opened a child development book but are AMAZING cause it comes naturally to them

    To answer the initial question - my program hours are 7:30 - 4:30 and if you want extended hour care more than that you PAY more for overtime you are asking me to work and I am only willing to start as early as 7 and work as late as 5 because a ten hour day IMO is long enough to remain healthy and passionate about your 'work' I need time to rest, recoupe and be with my family uninterrupted from 'work' ... I too charge minimum wage per hour for overtime because the client is not sharing that 'work' with any other families that normal fees are set by... and well it is a deterrent to those 'long days' for the child being in care because amazingly when it hits the pocketbook hard enough families manage to find a way to keep their child within care no more than 9 hours.

    I prefer to see the world as abundant and do not view other providers as competition and have sent clients I cannot help or who are not a match to what I am offering or asking to peers in my neighborhood who offer services similar to what they might be looking for.... statistically speaking in Canada only 20% of children are in 'licensed spaces' the rest are in informal private childcare arrangements ... that is A LOT if clients seeking care for children
    Children construct their own intelligence. The adult must provide activities and context, but most of all must be able to listen. Children need proof that adults believe in them. Their three great desires are to be listened to, to understand, and to demonstrate that they are exactly what we expect."
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    Mamma_Mia, when I first started I had nothing! Seriously. I did not have any toys or books and the whole room was empty. Whoever came to meet me signed up withing couple of days. I was and still am new to the country, so I had no idea where the play grounds are, library etc. They didn't even call my references which I find it wierd. Only one of my client asked but they didn't call either.
    Anyway, My first dck started withing a week or so. I've got the deposit and 2 weeks in advance and used that money to buy toys, books etc. And I still don't have tons of toys maybe just a box of full stuff but I do buy toys every months as the kids are growing and their interests are changing. By the way, I'm the expensive one in my area.

    Now, what I'm trying to say is because she didn't have tons of toys or had no dck that doesn't make her bad caregiver or un capable or anything like that. Like her, I had only my qualifications to show the parents' that's all. I'm just talking from my experience and me not having toys or anything really did not bothered my clients.

    Inspired by Reggio, I totally agree with you.

    I think I will take on this child to see if I can work on him. You never know. He might not act the way he is acting to his parents' as we all know kids are generally good with their care providers

    Cocoon

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