Thanks so much for your reply. I truly do believe there is something going on with her as well, so it's nice to know that I am not totally out to lunch here. I've spoken to mom and dad and neither can really be bothered to truly follow through with consequences because they "don't want to be the bad guy", so I am the only caregiver who actually follows through. She isn't as bad at school, but has been becoming "a bit unruly" as one teacher describes her behavior. I suggested counselling but mom and dad say it's to expensive(but both have benefits with large oil companies) and that it's too embarassing to have people find out that their child is in counselling. So, I'm feeling a bit stranded. I feel for her but I feel I've done just about as much as I can as a care provider. Thanks again for your response.