Yes Reggio it's ridiculous to use a discipline method that doesn't work .... But when we were kids there wasn't the tools that are available to us now .... Something even as simple as this forum that allows us the opportunity to learn different methods and get different ideas and perspectives in order to help us parent our children. One of my children needs timeout but only in his bed, which I never before agreed with, or the behaviour escalates, I am also one of those idiotic mothers that counts but I only ever have to say one and my kids feet hit the ground running. Another one of my kids needs to be promised (threatened) to have privileges removed or suspended. And yet another has to have the privilege of hanging out with friends taken away or the wifi turned off (gasp) .... I also have rewards for good behaviour and sonetimes that works even better.