Thanks for that and I do agree. to an extent. the glory of raising kids is if you have the right intentions you can have the same outcome and that is where we are all the same (thats what matters most) knew my religious point of view may or may not be taken on positive note. Sorry if it offends thats just how I believe.....doesnt change the way I feel about children, just changes the way I see them in their beginning state, dont get me wrong I dont view them as little red devil like creatures who are born ugly and have to be shaped. lol just view them as what they are, not knowing and in need of guidance and teaching. Heres the way I see it, because they are born evil (please consider the biblical term and not the worldly term) if they are left on their own and not guided they will not naturally grow into a deccent person with time, (which I know you agree) however, if raised improper, they will only continue on their already started path and reach distruction at adulthood. thats all. think about it, it is REALLY easy to do wrong, even as adults we have to try and watch what we say, we have to think before we speak, we have to CONTROL our anger. If we didnt TRY, THINK and CONTROL (which our parents taught us) then we would do wrong(which is evil) therefor, no matter how you slice it.....ALL humans are naturally evil, they have to be taught or guided to do whats right.