I agree playfelt: My son is a prime example of that kid who pushes the limits...just a "talk" will not get through to him, he needs "tangible" conseqences as he is much more of a "hard-headed" child than my daughter. She just needs to know I "feel disappointed" and she is crushed and wants to change. Either way, both my kids are great! Have respect and for the most part a very well behaved children but.....I had to take two very different paths upon that arrival. Dif kids dif techniques.