Strange form of discipline

[fruitloop]

I'm sorry, but I think kids were definitely better behaved back in the day...before all these "new wave, be your kid's friend" techniques came out. So, in short, I agree with this statement from kidlove...

Where did that world go? now everything is equal rights, and no violence (as if that form of discipline has been warped into such a horrid and violent act) a spanking in the woodshed years ago was the "norm" I don't think it raised a "beaten" society, I actually feel the opposite, it taught men to be men, and children to respect. It raised a more responsible society rather than one that looks for a crutch or handout or someone to feel sorry for the "abuse" they recieved.
Nothing at all wrong with choosing to raise your kids with out the use of physical punishment, but...what is so wrong with raising your kids with "old fashioned" technique and values. No choice is better or worse, both can work just as effective...just depends what the child needs.

I'm not saying that you NEED to beat your child to make them "submit" or "teach them a lesson" but sometimes there are actions that need immediate consequences. Parents need to say no to their kids. If they cry...all well, let them cry. They need to be taught that they can't always have everything their way or at that very moment. I notice a lot of parents that don't want their child to cry ever or feel disappointment. WTH...ya because they'll NEVER feel that as an adult. They need to experience these things so they know how to cope with them. Point is, and I think we're trying to make the same point, that parents need to step up and PARENT their child/ren using whatever form of discipline is right for them. If you are ok with spankings, then fine, if you and your kids do great with talking or t/o or whatever...awesome!

[kidlove]

No need for your answer alpha, sure I can imagine myself.

[Sandbox Sally]

I'm sorry, but I think kids were definitely better behaved back in the day...before all these "new wave, be your kid's friend" techniques came out. So, in short, I agree with this statement from kidlove...



I'm not saying that you NEED to beat your child to make them "submit" or "teach them a lesson" but sometimes there are actions that need immediate consequences. Parents need to say no to their kids. If they cry...all well, let them cry. They need to be taught that they can't always have everything their way or at that very moment. I notice a lot of parents that don't want their child to cry ever or feel disappointment. WTH...ya because they'll NEVER feel that as an adult. They need to experience these things so they know how to cope with them. Point is, and I think we're trying to make the same point, that parents need to step up and PARENT their child/ren using whatever form of discipline is right for them. If you are ok with spankings, then fine, if you and your kids do great with talking or t/o or whatever...awesome!

I completely agree that this newest generation of children (ie, our children) has brought forth a ridiculous amount of coddled, disrespectful citizens. What I do not understand is how that equates with a lack of corporal punishment. I think there are still plenty of spankers out there. If debate boards and mainstream parenting boards are any good indicator, I'd say that spankers are still in the majority.

I am neither new agey or "friends" with my kids. I mean, I am friends with them to a degree, sure, as in we have fun hanging out together, and they trust me to be able to come to me with concerns and problems, but they know that I am their parent first and foremost, and they completely respect that (for the mostpart, of course - after all, they ARE kids, and they still mess up).

I put forth to spankers the idea that consequences do not have to come in the form of physical punishment. My own children, as well as the children of ALL of my friends and family, have very clear and very heavy consequences for misbehaviour. The consequences just don't include spanking. I can't buy into the idea that the only way to raise a productive, respectful citizen is to spank them. I just can't. I've seen too many success stories from families who don't spank to think that this is a reasonable conclusion to draw.

I couldn't agree with you more about the new age crap, the "time in" set, the ZERO consequences parenting. It's not effective. It's become more common to just not parent your kids. People are too busy, too lazy, too stupid...who knows? However, I think this has little to do with sparing the rod.

GOOD parenting can absolutely be accomplished without spanking. Non spankers, just as spankers, have to invest the time. Might I suggest that it's not a lack of spanking that's spewing forth these little heathens, rather, a lack of parenting.