Something has got to give or I'm gonna lose my crap!!

[playfelt]

Is the 10 year old not old enough to go home on his own - maybe have a high school boy come and hang out with him, take him to play sports or run off some energy somehow. He is definitely too old for the daycare group if he is going to be as disrespecful.

Sometimes if you deal with the little ones - in this case the 4 and 5 year olds to get proper behaviour out of them then the older one backs off because it is no fun if no one plays along.

Maybe a couple well timed "shut ups" "knock it off now" would actually help. Time to be nice is over.

[Cookie]

Oh boy, do I feel the pain of your post! Hang in there. What about first thing in the morning have them pull straws and that's the order they stick with for the whole day? And definitely no holding spots. It's easy to give advice when we're not dealing with it like you are. Keep calm and carry on - that's what I repeat to myself a hundred times a day with my own two kids. Good luck.