Ive tried every conceivable combination of nap times and durations for the morning nap for this one and nothing seems to provide a consistent nap. Many years ago i had separate rooms for everyone but i found it too intrusive. I dont have young kids of my own anymore so my nearly 18year old does not want a playpen in her room, not that i could find room for it among all the clothes on her floor. my 4th bedroom is my sewing room and in many cases my sanctuary during naptime. I would never feel comfortable using that room in case anyone ever got to the point where they could climb out of a playpen as there are many things in there that are not safe for kids to be near. I decided that there would be no more morning naps starting today. to be honest i found it a major pain to lug 3 kids upstairs get them settled in bed and go back for them 30 minutes later. I found in the past that having the kids in the same room provided them with comfort knowing that they weren't alone and for many years it worked great but with this group it seems to beone thing after another. I did put the 2 two year olds in the playroom to nap and they do fine there. if they wake early they lay quiet until i go in. it also works well because they both go home by 4 so if by some miracle the rest of them sleep well, i can get them changed and ready forhome without disturbing anyone. so at this point i only have the 9 month old and the 15 month old together and my non sleeper in my bedroom. i think an issue might be that she poops while she's in bed because on most days she is dirty when i bring her down but i dont know for sure if its just happened or if thats what woke her. What are your thoughts on going in to check? I know that in the beginning i would go in occasionally to tell her it was bed time and to lay down and she just screamed all the louder. Her mom provides food and she gets ALOT of fruit and i mentioned to mom that maybe this is an issue because her BM's are very vinegary smelling if that makes sense and runny which I thought might be the amount of fruit and water she drinks. mom acknowledged my sugestion but wasnt really in agreement so i made the cut on my own and didnt give her all the fruit that was brought and some days not at all and provided an alternative and i saw a difference. not perfect but better than today. thanks for your thoughts so far.