i am sort of conflicted over this. Swear it to you, today was the first time i considered it. I will most definitely speak with mom again about this today and i will be letting her know that this may be a possibility if the 'pee issue' doesn't cease...of course, this will be after i implement new bathroom practices with this lad, and do the things you have all suggested. If things don't change then yes, i may have to terminate.