More on the toddler who died at daycare

[MonkeyPrincess]

http://m.thestar.com/#!/news/vaughan...27ebb46834fb7e

More on this horrible story.

[jodaycare]

The link doesn't work.

[dodge__driver11]

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013...rcrowding.html

[momofnerds]

they were dropped by a company, now the plot thickens. They knew what they were doing was illegal and did it times 10

[Sandbox Sally]

Crazy. I can't, imagine as a daycare provider, being greedy enough to put lives in danger.

[MonkeyPrincess]

The link doesn't work.

Sorry. I am on my phone, using a mobile version of the Toronto Star.

[apples and bananas]

These kinds of stories makes me want to stop what I'm doing.

The article says :

Under the Day Nurseries Act (DNA), it is an offence for an unlicenced child care provider to care for more than five unrelated children under the age of 10 without a licence — regardless of the number of adults present or on site, the ministry states

There's that word "unrelated" again.

Maybe the ministry should work on re wording this "rule" so there is no confusion. 5 plus the ones that popped out of you to a max number of "X" and that's it.

What really gets me is that this dayhome has been terminated from an agency for over numbers. But not fined? Not jailed? Not reported to the ministry?

Maybe if these things happened they would have learned their lesson.

I'm not saying the child died due to too many children in the home. Let's be honest, they haven't released how many adults were there, they don't know how the child died. And as far as we know this may have been a very loving home with good quality learning and plenty of adults. I agree... it doesn't matter. A rule is a rule. And the breaking of this rule has probably made a lot of future clients question using a home daycare.

We've talked about play dates on this forum. Can I have another provider in my backyard with their kids? Apparently the rule doesn't allow for that. Which most of us can agree is not right.

I really hope this one drifts out of the medias eyes quickly and we can all get back to doing what we do best.

On a side note... how do people get away with having birthday parties with multiple children? Can I throw a birthday party for my 5 year old with 10 kids in attendance? Is it just "paid" children that count in my numbers? What's the difference if my daughter has a friend over while I have daycare kids here?

Just something to think about.

[bright sparks]

So true a&b about the parties. How is a group over 5 that are in paid care at any less risk than 5 who are in unpaid care such as a two hour party in a backyard. My kids are Tweens and their parents certainly don't stay when either of them have a bunch of kids come over to party on the trampoline, play video games and eat pizza. Do you think I'm any less liable if one of them falls and hurts themselves. A parent could still sue me. It's ridiculous.

Don't hate on me now...this is why SOME kind of regulation would be good for home daycare providers. Not just to restrict us on numbers/ age ranges and to get money out of us for licensing annually, but a way to offer resources to providers and support providers. Inspectors could do random check ins and while this wont magically solve all problems in home daycare settings I do believe it will help. I also know first hand that it helps as in England it is heavily regulated and the system works in the interest of not only the child's and their families but also in the interest of the care provider who has access to training, resources and grants.

[apples and bananas]

So true a&b about the parties. How is a group over 5 that are in paid care at any less risk than 5 who are in unpaid care such as a two hour party in a backyard. My kids are Tweens and their parents certainly don't stay when either of them have a bunch of kids come over to party on the trampoline, play video games and eat pizza. Do you think I'm any less liable if one of them falls and hurts themselves. A parent could still sue me. It's ridiculous.

Don't hate on me now...this is why SOME kind of regulation would be good for home daycare providers. Not just to restrict us on numbers/ age ranges and to get money out of us for licensing annually, but a way to offer resources to providers and support providers. Inspectors could do random check ins and while this wont magically solve all problems in home daycare settings I do believe it will help. I also know first hand that it helps as in England it is heavily regulated and the system works in the interest of not only the child's and their families but also in the interest of the care provider who has access to training, resources and grants.

I Agree Completely!

[apples and bananas]

And how do we know that this child wouldn't have died in a licenced daycare centre. Or an unlicensed that has less then 5 kids and follows the rules to a T.

It really bothers me that the articles are using "unlicensed daycare" to describe the caregiver. It's really starting to sound like the child died BECAUSE the property had 27 kids in the house. When really... we have no idea the cause of this poor childs death. I hope it doesn't come out as neglect.

I'm really frustrated because I've had all of my parents question this at drop off this morning. Every one of them made a comment. It's so frustrating to defend my chosen profession because the media has written a story that makes my chosen profession look dangerous. There are people out there now questioning if they should leave their child in a home daycare. Perfectly good, quality, home daycares.

Ok, I'm done venting now.