Ontario Caregivers - daycare announcement due today

[giraffe]

I have 6 children in care at the moment (my 3 year old daughter is included in this count along with my 5 daycare kids). I have a 5 year old and a 10 year old in school full time. My school aged kids are out of the house from 8:30 until 3:30. Some of my daycare kids get dropped off at 9:00am and leave by 4:30. So I will have an overlap of an hour a day.

If this passes I'm only going to let 1 family go (then I will still have 5 kids total in care during the day, my own 3 year old and 4 daycare kids).

How is the gov't going to enforce situations where the school aged children aren't even home during daycare hours (eg. maybe they have after school programs and don't get home till after 4:30). What if there is some sort of overlap.
How are they going to count this? This will be very hard to enforce.

What about the summer and pd days?

[momofnerds]

Well it looks like that all 3 levels of government are going to pass this bill. For me my kids are older than 6 and I currently have no dc kids as I just relocated a little over a month ago. I feel horrible for all you providers who have young children who will now count in you numbers.

acually if you read further down it says "if approved" so nothing has been approved. And it says that children under 10 are going to count in numbers. So its also just a newspaper and we all know how one sided newspapers are.

[Teagansmom]

I was referring to The Toronto Star article which printed that the NDP "welcomed" the new legislation. Really I also meant to say the 3 major parties. I understand that it has not passed yet, however it would only take the liberals and NDP to pass the bill into law.
Your own children 6 and boer would not count.

[playfelt]

The NDP saying the welcomed the bill is really nothing more than politicking on her part in that she knows this is important to the people of Ontario and at the same time is non-committal saying she will read the document before deciding to support it as is - meaning there is still room for improvement/debate in theory. At the same time no party is going to want to be labelled as holding up such "important" legislation.

That under 10 rule is still floating around and mostly I don't think those reporting the news are reading things as closely as we are because it doesn't effect them nor do they understand the system as it is now. Even on a facebook forum I am on they are arguing the 1 under 1, 2 under 2, 3 under 3 rule and messing everyone up. It seems to be falling on deaf ears to please forget what you know now and go read the new report.

[playfelt]

http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/house-pro...ss=2&locale=en

If you go to the legislature website you can read the debates (hansard) which is basically the word for word of what went on in the chamber - ie the discussion. You can see where the debate was tabled and then scroll down to each section labelled childcare and you can read what each person that spoke read. If we do this daily we should have a better idea of when and how this will pass. The other parties are not simply jumping on the bandwagon yet. That does buy us some time.

[Artsand crafts]

http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/house-pro...ss=2&locale=en

If you go to the legislature website you can read the dabates (hansard) which is basically the word for word of what went on in the chamber - ie the discussion. You can see where the debate was tabled and then scroll down to each section labelled childcare and you can read what each person that spoke read. If we do this daily we should have a better idea of when and how this will pass. The other parties are not simply jumping on the bandwagon yet. That does buy us some time.

Thank you for the link! It seems that this still will take a little bit of time based on what has been mentioned, such as:

Miss Monique Taylor:

This is an extensive bill, and it is one that we will need to look at very closely. We have a general overview, but we know that the devil is always in the details. New Democrats want to see prompt debate on this bill, and we want to see extensive hearings at committee, to make sure that we’re finally getting it right.

Existing problems in the child care sector just don’t require new legislation; they require commitment to action. This government must act on each and every complaint received about child care in Ontario, and they must ensure that there are enough inspectors to do the job. New legislation won’t save lives if complaints continue to be ignored.

I also look forward to the forthcoming recommendations from the Ombudsman on this matter. I hope that those recommendations, along with a thorough review of the new legislation, can be used to improve child care in Ontario.

[sunnydays]

Playfelt...again I can't get the link to work...but maybe it is bogged down. I will keep trying. I am wondering how they will actually get the new rules to unlicensed caregivers. I mean, many of us are here and informed...but we all know many many caregivers have no clue that this is happening. Do you think they will use income taxes to determine who is a caregiver and send us all something with the new rules? Of course those who are not reporting their income will be missed...but they are already illegal, so no change there.
I decided to tell my daycare parents and ask them to write letters to oppose this. I told them not to panic as we don't know if or when this will come into effect, but I did tell them that if it passes I will have to let two of the kids go. I am hoping they will write letters. I think we need all the support we can get.

[sunnydays]

Okay, I got on. And I can also see the the second reading of the act is planned for tomorrow. I will be keeping my eyes on that tomorrow for sure to see how things are looking.

[treeholm]

I have read the transcripts of the proceedings, and I've read several newspaper articles. I cannot see mention of the "3 under 3" rule anywhere. The proposed legislation mentions no more than 5 children in an unregulated daycare, or 6 in a regulated daycare. In both situations the daycare provider's children would now be counted, so the "5 plus your own" rule is gone. In both situations, you can have no more than two children under two years of age.

[cfred]

I think that's correct treeholm......just 2 under 2. Again, I THINK. Thank doG for small miracles. The 2 under 2 still sucks, but is better than the other. How's your set up looking? Have to cut anyone?