Proposed changes in bill 143...

[bright sparks]

That would be the worst government move ever. As far as I could guess most, the large majority, of home daycares would be shut down. I have my ECE, as do some on here, but most do not. It is a 2yr degree. Most home daycare providers wouldn't even want to take the degree (if they are home for a few years with their kids and not doing this forever).

I don't believe the government would even try this move. They would have mass chaos as most of the provinces families would be without care. The implications of such a move are very wide spread.

Not that the proposed plan isn't going to have very big, negative impacts...but the additional need of an ECE diploma would wipe most companies out as their workers would have to be home with their kids.

I think there should be some mandatory training for those without an ECE diploma and if that was requested under the new bill then I think a set amount of time say 12mths should be given to those currently working without any form of training in childcare. To grandfather everyone in for an indefinite period of time would not be fair and wouldn't solve a lot of the issues that would be the reasoning for mandatory training in the first place. Now I think that people can do a great job without such training, but I think that everyone should be held to some sort of standard if licensing is to be brought in, just like it is for any other licensing that requires minimum qualifications and/or supervised work experience to be allowed to work unsupervised. Those already doing a great job would have an opportunity to network, and in all likelihood we could all learn something from taking some courses, even the best of us, there is no shame in that. And the daycare providers doing a less than mediocre job will have the opportunity to learn and grow or give up the job if they didn't want to get up to speed. I don't think the ECE requirement is appropriate as some of the content isn't even relative to a home setting so a course would be best tailored to our role specifically. Also just wanted to clarify that an ECE diploma takes 2 years but an ECE degree is 4 years so the diploma would be an issue to do over 2 years in the first place but the actual degree wouldn't be viable and is going way above and beyond the requirements for doing home daycare.

[dshtebazile]

Just to clarify, I have READ the bill. Which is why I argued this with my mom and her friend in the first place. But I wanted to ask on here just incase there was something I missed as it wasn't the easiest thing to read!

[Judy Trickett]

Just to clarify, I have READ the bill. Which is why I argued this with my mom and her friend in the first place. But I wanted to ask on here just incase there was something I missed as it wasn't the easiest thing to read!

Yes, I knew this. Our remarks about this thread were directed to those who are acting on assumptions or second hand info and haven't take the time to actually read the Bill themselves.

[superfun]

I think there should be some mandatory training for those without an ECE diploma and if that was requested under the new bill then I think a set amount of time say 12mths should be given to those currently working without any form of training in childcare.

I know that this has nothing to do with what you are facing in Ontario, but I found it really interesting anyways. This is exactly what is required in Manitoba to get licensed. If you don't have your ECE diploma, you have to complete a 40 hour course (I get to pick between a few different courses, based on what I think would be the most useful to myself.) You have one year to get it done after your complete the licensing process.