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    This is the proposal for Bill 10. I've been reading it.

    http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bil...et&BillID=3002

    The summary:

    5 dck including provider's own children for unlicensed daycare
    6 dck including provider's own children for hdc working for an agency
    12 dck including provider's own children for hdc working for an agency, when there are 2 adults

    dc provider's own children will not count in numbers if they are 6 yo or older

    We also will have to disclose that we don't have a license to all families we offer care and we have to keep the record of disclosure for the time the child is in care or at least 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artsand crafts View Post
    This is the proposal for Bill 10. I've been reading it.

    http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bil...et&BillID=3002

    The summary:

    5 dck including provider's own children for unlicensed daycare
    6 dck including provider's own children for hdc working for an agency
    12 dck including provider's own children for hdc working for an agency, when there are 2 adults

    dc provider's own children will not count in numbers if they are 6 yo or older

    We also will have to disclose that we don't have a license to all families we offer care and we have to keep the record of disclosure for the time the child is in care or at least 2 years.
    Also no one is allowed to smoke on your property at any time. No smoking signs must be displayed on all entrances and in all bathrooms.

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    My husband is a smoker. He isn't home during daycare hours and only smokes outside in the backyard when he is. Does that mean he has to move out? heh heh

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    Lol nope just has to smoke on the sidewalk. It's absolutely ridiculous. Next we will not be able to have an alcoholic beverage anytime on our property. I mean I agree with not smoking in homes and on the property during daycare hours but after hours and weekends it's our homes.

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    My concern with a day of action is that I don't think parents, media or the general public are going to get it. Why is it not good for parents to go to an agency and have supervised care, etc. Too much of our concern is about the loss of our income and the general public is just going to see that as whining and not have any sympathy for us.

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    One big thing that should burn all your asses is the flat out extortion is the less than equal billing here between the sectors. Two providers going through an agency, whether ECE or not, will be able to team up in one residence and have up to 12 children in care, but we cannot. Are they frickin' serious??? I'm an ECE and I have a friend who is an ECE and was assistant director in a daycare for goodness sakes, but we can't be afforded the same opportunity as someone without the background only because of agency status??? That is downright wrong, no matter how you look at it. That one, as much if not more than anything else, sets my anger off. It's indicative of their bullying tactics, lack of integrity and sleazy manipulations and above all, their utter lack of respect for ANY providers in ANY forum! It's disgusting!

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    Playfelt, this is our opportunity to make our concerns heard. We're already whining and that's all anyone has seen. They think we just want to fly under the radar because we've not had any opportunity to stand as a group with one cohesive message. I don't think our message is that it's not good for parents to go to agency care and it's not that we don't want to be licensed. It's that they're being mislead into thinking that's our view. We want to be licensed, or at the very least, have government oversight that won't cost us so dearly. We want them to understand the ramifications of passing this bill without amendments. No one is going to get it if we don't speak out. We don't get to speak out unless we stand together and make a really visible statement.

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    Cfred, I just have to thank you for all your good work on this thread!!!! Like you, I'm ready to do the work in my city to get caregivers motivated and to reach as many parents as possible. After all, the parents are the ones who will be suffering when the bill passes and they can't find any spaces for their 1 year olds or we all have to raise our prices for the under 2's to be able to survive. I'm very impressed with Heidi and Kim and all the efforts they are putting into the cause.
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    Thanks, but I haven't done much as yet. I've sent emails out to all the providers in my area and I'm hopeful to get some positive responses. I do get frustrated with the negativity as I feel this is the most proactive action I've seen to date. I hope we get most providers on board with this and that we take advantage of this very rare opportunity to carve a better path for Independent Childcare Providers across this province. It's such a great endeavor and is certainly worth a day of everyone's time. Good luck to everyone and let's get this rolling! Heidi is the only one I've been speaking with, but I can say that she's busting her ass on our behalf...it's time to help out.

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    I have some reservations if we were to protest at Queens park, First and foremost I am in Ottawa, no easy feat to arrange a trip to Toronto (the wonderful money issue) and I highly doubt my families would make the trip either. Second, people are getting nervous about the bill and many families are moving their children into centers so as not to lose their spots. This has happened to many of my contemporaries here in Ottawa, we get the child and as soon as they are old enough to go to the "preschool" program the parents give notice. My fear is if we all close for the day in protest some families will then reconsider home based dc. In a center you never have to take a sick day because of your provider, or holidays for that matter. This bill is ruining my life, at the risk of sounding dramatic.
    I also want to pose what will probably be a very unpopular question but, where were all the dc providers during the election. The province of Ontario voted the Liberals back in so was it a lack of information or are we not as strong in numbers as I was led to believe. I find this whole situation so depressing. My family depends on me making a decent wage which I don't think will be possible if this bill passes. Thanks for letting me rant

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