thanks secondtimearound - I have to say though that this has been an exceptionally bad week and not normal everyday work stuff. We have both had some bad jobs over the years but I have to say this one takes the cake! We unfortunately can't afford for him to be unemployed or he would have quit long time ago. He just can't find a job locally that pays decent and in his field. Hopefully he hears back from the latest place he applied. ugh.....