Rally - bill 10

[bright sparks]

I am not organizing it, just passing on the info. I was at the day of action in Oakville and we had almost 60 people! A success as far as I am concerned, Garfield Dunlop came to the rally in Oakville and he will be attending this one too. This rally is more to create public awareness. The organizers are collecting donations to pay for an official media release and are working on getting a major TV network to report on it as well. We want her constituents to know how unmotivated she is to listen to the people who pay her salary.

I understand, I really do and not being on FB I really appreciate everyone updating the forum on the new developments. I'm just voicing my opinions that's all. I just don't think it's the most effective course of action holding a rally on a Sunday. The day of action was great but a success is not my overview of it when for example all daycare providers to my knowledge in the Niagara region fell silent although multiple people from all over the place reached out to them with resounding rejection. I hope there were other Niagara providers who attended unbeknownst to me. People turning out for the day of action is only deemed a success in my opinion if it has some kind of impact and had it been on a weekday, I imagine the repercussions would have been far more substantial. Not to say that it wasn't worth doing, I for one attended my closest location but I think that it likely had minimal effect. I for one will not be attending the Sunday Rally as I just don't think it's productive. I actually can't anyway as I have University open houses to attend. I would gladly without question attend on a weekday and will continue to support the cause in other ways but protesting is ineffective if it is not executed correctly. Switch the Sunday to a weekday and the results will likely be very different. Maybe it's the English in me who are far less passive and just like Europeans are all in when it comes to these kind of fights. I called several newspapers with regards to the day of action and none were even remotely interested. Did you get any media coverage at the Oakville location? I spoke to others in different locations who got no interest too. It's so disheartening and won't stop me from trying but I can't give up my minimal family time to invest in methods I don't believe to be very effective. It doesn't mean I don't support it, but I'm not driving over an hour to something that I just don't believe will have much of an impact when I believe my time could be better invested in other areas of fighting this bill. I know you didn't organize this and I appreciate the logistics in pleasing others and appealing to the majority. I'm just using this forum and this post to voice my views. I certainly don't intend to point fingers or negate anyone's efforts in fighting this cause.

[bright sparks]

I am not organizing it, just passing on the info. I was at the day of action in Oakville and we had almost 60 people! A success as far as I am concerned, Garfield Dunlop came to the rally in Oakville and he will be attending this one too. This rally is more to create public awareness. The organizers are collecting donations to pay for an official media release and are working on getting a major TV network to report on it as well. We want her constituents to know how unmotivated she is to listen to the people who pay her salary.

I think media coverage is crucial especially for Sunday rallies. Please keep us informed if you don't mind on how people can contribute and donate as Id like to help.

[Tinyones1981]

I am just doing research on this topic to fill myself in where is the best resource? Is there a date to when this bill would enforced if its passed (which is completely scary!!!) I'm informing all my parents so they know what is going on and how it affects them and my daycare. Where can I go to find all the things they are pushing for and all the changes they will implement so I can pass this on to my parents and inform them of everything.

Thanks in advance!!!!

[jodaycare]

We did have the Oakville Beaver and Cogeco TV at the Oakville rally. The article was posted on Friday I believe. Donations are through www.gofundme.com , look for CICPO Guelph Rally to Amend Bill 10.

Also this week in the legislature, the Day of Action was mentioned by several MPPs and Garfield told Sandals that another rally was being planned in her home riding.

There is also a massive letter writing campaign going on, over 150 letters have been couriered to Garfield Dunlop and he will be presenting them in the legislature. If you havent already, send letters letting the government know how the bill will affect you and have your parents do the same. At the top of your letter please put in bold capital letters the number of children you have in care and how many will have to be let go as a result of Bill 10. Send them to daycarebill10@yahoo. com

[jodaycare]

I understand your frustration with people not seeming to care, I am disappointed that Toronto didnt participate in the Day of Action as well, my city didnt either but several of us from here made the trek to oakville to show our support and I have contacted several providers here in my city without much success. However, this is not the time to give up just because of feeling frustrated. We are ALL frustrated with the whole process, especially the fact that Minister Sandals avoids every question that is asked of her and the fact that she will not respond to phone calls or emails! There is a weekday rally being organized in Ottawa for Mon Nov 10. As for the Guelph rally, we have 54 people confirmed so far and we have arranged for a an official press release to go out. Honestly, if we make enough noise on Sunday, Sandals WILL hear about from her constituents, whether she shows up or not.

[bright sparks]

I understand your frustration with people not seeming to care, I am disappointed that Toronto didnt participate in the Day of Action as well, my city didnt either but several of us from here made the trek to oakville to show our support and I have contacted several providers here in my city without much success. However, this is not the time to give up just because of feeling frustrated. We are ALL frustrated with the whole process, especially the fact that Minister Sandals avoids every question that is asked of her and the fact that she will not respond to phone calls or emails! There is a weekday rally being organized in Ottawa for Mon Nov 10. As for the Guelph rally, we have 54 people confirmed so far and we have arranged for a an official press release to go out. Honestly, if we make enough noise on Sunday, Sandals WILL hear about from her constituents, whether she shows up or not.

I love your attitude jodaycare. We need people like you to lift the spirits of those of us feeling at times like we are defeated. Don't mistaken me for giving up though, just simply stating my thoughts from a different angle.

[jodaycare]

Thank you for your kind words, Bright Sparks. I am passionate about this, I have been in business for a looonngg time. I am angry that some politician, who has absolutely no experience or education in the field that she is the Minister of , thinks that she can just make some new rules without consulting the people that do the work every day and who look after most of the children that are of daycare age. I sit and watch the webcast and want to wring her neck everytime she opens her mouth! I am terrified that even with all of our hard work, the bill will still go through anyway.

[torontokids]

I think one of the realities of this line of work and why there can be so much apathy is that simply, a lot of us do this as an interim solution to our own childcare issues, not a long term career choice. I think a lot of us don't plan on doing this long term in the beginning. Some of us start off with a clear end date in our heads e.g. when own child enters kindergarten and others start to love the job the more they do it. The field can be quite transient as a result and full of those that are struggling in managing the job (and contemplating quitting) and those that have been doing it forever and don't care anymore. It is the in between people I think that are being the most active.

For myself, I think it is important to know that Toronto is a bit of a different animal. There are too many providers at the moment as a lot of moms have decided to go this route because they simply can't afford the cost of childcare in our city ($60+ a day for home daycare, $100 a day for infant centre care). I think this is where the apathy comes in (not that it's right) but most of us would just close up shop if it's not financially feasible anymore. A lot of centres are actually hurting for kids in some parts of Toronto and alerting parents of the Bill I know will cause some of them to look elsewhere for care and unfortunately for me as I have a lot of kids 2+ yrs old, they will find it. If parents are happy in your daycare, they don't look for care elsewhere and therefore aren't aware that there may be something else available (and possibly cheaper.)

I am not defending the actions of those in Toronto (as we have specifically been called out) I am just shedding a little more light on the matter. I myself have written letters, posted on forums and contacted my MPP. I have not told my daycare families for fear of them leaving (like I said, care is not as hard to come by as a lot of people think). I also would not be in a position to close for the day and leave my families without care. They need me to be reliable and I can't afford to loose them.

[Fun&care]

Sometimes I wonder if lackluster turnouts are perhaps because maybe not all providers agree with the demands the CICPO (?) is making-please don't attack me for saying this. I have been holding my tongue for a while, because I am pretty sure I am the odd one out but....I don't agree with NOT including your own kids under 6. I am not attacking anyone personally here. I have seen providers in my area carting around 7-8 kids and I'm sorry but it's just not right. It's too much. The 2 under 2 rule on the other hand definitely is ridiculous but I just don't understand how anyone can expect parents and the general public to accept having 5 kids plus your own (2,3,4 more?) is ok.

[playfelt]

I think what bothers most of us is that the changes are not necessary to bring any kind of increased safety. These rules have been around since forever in the day nurseries act and at a time when larger families of 3-4 kids was more normal so one mom looking after a group of 8-10 kids was normal and children entered care at 4-6 months of age due to the 6 month mat leave. What is hard for newer moms to accept is that large families are a way of life for those that truly love teaching and nurturing children and totally doable. I am into my 28th year of daycare, a mom to 4 kids including one with special needs and have always tried to stay filled with 5 children and haven't done school age care so only taking 5 under JK age since my third child started school (homeschooled our fourth one as part of the daycare group).