3 under 3 AND 2 under 2!

[CrazyEight]

Just to give Ontario providers some warning, the committee hearings on Bill 10 are happening yesterday and today. Yesterday, many different agency reps began pushing hard for unlicensed providers to abide by a "3 under 3" rule, as well as "2 under 2." This would put many more providers out of business - JK starts at age 4!!

If you haven't already sent in a submission to the Committee, you have until this evening (Nov. 18) at 8:30pm to send in a letter, outlining how this Bill will affect you, your clients, and your families.

PLEASE take 5 minutes and send in a submission.
You can email them to the committee clerk at: vquioc@ola.org

[torontokids]

Done and done

[AmandaKDT]

Question totally out of curiosity, but why don't unlicensed providers get licensed then? In Manitoba the law is already no more than 2 under age 2 ( and a max of 4 kids total) for unlicensed providers. I believe it is used as incentive to get people to become licensed.

[torontokids]

Because we can't unless we are with an agency taking a big chunk of our income. There is also no grants or gov. assistance.

[AmandaKDT]

Because we can't unless we are with an agency taking a big chunk of our income. There is also no grants or gov. assistance.

Can you explain the agencies, why is it that they exist? Are agencies privately run or government run? What would make someone want to join an agency.

[Rachael]

Can you explain the agencies, why is it that they exist? Are agencies privately run or government run? What would make someone want to join an agency.

If it's like NS and other provinces, the agencies exist to ensure the in-home providers are following the legislation.

There are lots of regs for registered providers - record keeping of attendance, lateness, menu planning which are published to clients, immunization records, health related records, ensuring yards are fenced, separate sleep areas for under two's and over two's, suitable toys for all age ranges, educational activities, certain amount of natural light for the square footage, are just a few - and the two under two, three under three rule.

The agencies here provide a toy library, help with tutoring for record keeping, act as mediators if having issues with a client, assistance in menu plannning, support if having issues with a child etc.

They issue the registered status to their day home and likewise, if the regs aren't being followed, they can withdraw it too.

There are no benefits in terms of the numbers of children a registered carer can have vs an unregistered but a registered carer are the only ones who can accept subsidized clients.

[Teagansmom]

If it's like NS and other provinces, the agencies exist to ensure the in-home providers are following the legislation.

There are lots of regs for registered providers - record keeping of attendance, lateness, menu planning which are published to clients, immunization records, health related records, ensuring yards are fenced, separate sleep areas for under two's and over two's, suitable toys for all age ranges, educational activities, certain amount of natural light for the square footage, are just a few - and the two under two, three under three rule.

The agencies here provide a toy library, help with tutoring for record keeping, act as mediators if having issues with a client, assistance in menu plannning, support if having issues with a child etc.

They issue the registered status to their day home and likewise, if the regs aren't being followed, they can withdraw it too.

There are no benefits in terms of the numbers of children a registered carer can have vs an unregistered but a registered carer are the only ones who can accept subsidized clients.

In Ontario Agencies provide and require everything you pretty much mentioned. However they also take $30-40% of our income before deductions. I myself do all the above and I have no concerns about hireling an independent inspectors to come in once a year and also make Unscheduled visits to make sure I'm compiling with safety standards and regulation. As mentioned today by a PC MPP she said that it seems like the government and agencies are trying to make us join a franchise. We still offer the same services just get paid less from paying the middle man. Also what was comical a NDP MPP asked an agency rep if they paid for a license and if they pay for inspections. Basically he was asking why should ICPs pay if they don't have to.

[CrazyEight]

The Ontario gov't doesn't have licensing here. We have 2 options - go private ("unlicensed") or work for an agency, who set our rates and take upwards of 20% of our wages - that are already under average, because they set them! That is the problem - neither option (agency or private) will be a financially feasible business after Bill 10.

[cfred]

Manitoba has a much friendlier system than Ontario. Really, don't you think we WOULD get licensed if it was prudent to do so? We do have some non-profit agencies, but they aren't available everywhere. For instance, in my city, I have WeeWatch and Hopscotch - both for profit, both taking a minimum of 25% of my fees in admin costs. In addition, their oversight and client sourcing are, so far as I've seen, dismal at best. 25% - 30% of our incomes are a dear price to pay for a little shoddy oversight, don't you think? We also have Full Day Kindergarten to contend with, which has really changed the face of childcare in Ontario. Kids are gone now as young as 3.5 yrs. Our window with children is very small, which is why we take issue with 2 under 2. It's very, very difficult to maintain numbers with that ratio in place. 1 under 1 or 2 under 18 months, sure! But 2 under 2 doesn't work.

[AmandaKDT]

Manitoba has a much friendlier system than Ontario. Really, don't you think we WOULD get licensed if it was prudent to do so?

That was the reason I was asking, cuz I don't know the situation behind it. Was trying to fully understand since the providers from Ontario are making such a big deal about it.

Are there plans in that Bill 10 about how agencies are run? Are there any changes being made about that area?