Committee review

[cfred]

I'm going to play mediator now and say that possibly this thread is going too far. I can see where Rachael is coming from and how it could be perceived from others - especially in provinces with really restrictive ratios. This is new to us and we're going to complain. But the fact of the matter is, we're all providers no matter where we live and what rules have been thrust upon us. We all do important work that is unappreciated by every government in every province. I think that's a better thing to focus on and perhaps think about the industry as a whole in Canada...not just Ontario. Personally, I'd love to see providers everywhere start demanding better standards. This shouldn't be a profession in which a provider outside Ontario looks at our current standards as having 'won the lottery'. That's just sad...sad for all of us that the modest incomes we make here make us look 'lucky' to everyone else. Our work is too important and that statement in itself shows me that the entire system needs to change. Providers everywhere deserve better.

[Rachael]

Lol expressing your opinion...it seems that to you it's about coming up on top and anyone who disagrees with you is a whiny, self entitled baby who needs tissues.

You could have said your peace and left it at that. THAT is expressing an opinion. Now you are just trying to shove your opinion down our throats. We've all heard it- you don't care. The rest of us who DO care are going to continue to discuss this.

As a side note, I don't know what picture you have in your head about providers in Ontario but I don't understand how people who are struggling to make ends meet and then losing their jobs counts as self-entitlement and whining. I don't think anyone goes into this biz to make big bucks and eat cake while the peasants eat crumbs...Like.... Awwwww yea-we providers in ontario be livin' large!

Surely even you can see the double-standard irony of that statement.

I haven't stop you from discussing it unlike you who feels I should be able to express my opinion. If I may remind you, you called me out on my opinions (in your whiny voice) and I responded.

You state you are struggling to make ends meet - well if you need help reading the whole thread get some - the whole country is struggling on smaller numbers that you will have even after this amendment gets introduced. As I stated, when that's the case, most adults have to consider how they will adjust (that's like adapt).

Based on the comments some options would be to sell up and downsize since it's recognized that the houses bought for the current number of children will no longer be required.

Get a second job - Did you know that many inhome day care providers in the East have a second business because day care doesn't cover the cost of essentials?

Cut some other household expenses.

It's is self-entitled whining when it's audio noise and no action to resolve. You've identified challenges and issue so do something other than complain about how tough it's gonna be. Voice noise ain't gonna pay those bills.

[CrazyEight]

Wow....just wow. I have no words to combat the incredible high horse you are riding on right now.

I was simply trying to explain the reality of the situation of so many providers, and using myself as an example. Thank you so much for telling me my plans for my own family are selfish, whiny, and unrealistic. Do I not have the right to fight against a government taking away my right to earn a living?

Cut the crap, and realize that any good points you may or may not have had are being completely negated and instead you are coming across as an arrogant, conceited, holier-than-thou a**.

Bottom line: you are not dealing with this right now. Therefore you have no right to tell people to shut up and roll over when the gov't is pulling their businesses out from underneath them. "Adapt or die" is a pretty depressing way to look at life, and insisting that if people don't roll over and take it that they're selfish and whiny and are riding on cruise ships is just ignorant.

If I choose to have another child, that is on me, and I'm certainly not going to be complaining about having to stretch my budget to do it. That was an EXAMPLE. There are thousands of providers who already have their own child under 2 and are already pregnant, and are faced with terminating 2 spots no matter what. I was simply trying to put actual faces and actual PEOPLE to the situation, to maybe encourage you to think about using a teeny bit of empathy when you lecture us all about how life sucks and that there's nothing we can do about it. Sorry empathy is beyond you.

[5 Little Monkeys]

Just some thoughts as I've read some recent posts....

I don't think anyone is saying "bend over and take it with a smile" but we all approach things differently. Some will fight to their death to change things while others accept it for what it is and will spend their time and energy getting their plan into place for when the change takes affect while others will do a bit of both. There are also the types who will do nothing and will continue on like they have been and hope/pray they don't get caught. I don't think any approach is better than another, it's what makes the world go 'round...all the different personalities

Every job/career has the potential for change, ours is not unique in this. Of course any job/career we choose will be dependent on our life in that moment of time. Nothing is a guarantee though, jobs change day to day. Is it fair? Not always in my opinion. Is it life? YES! It is up to us to adapt and change our game plan (maybe we have to buy a smaller house, maybe we can't have another child, maybe we can't do our yearly trip, maybe we can't do xxx)....it really is live or die sometimes. If the bill had been to increase numbers, in turn increasing your income, nobody would be saying "hey, it's been xx amount of kids for years, it's not fair to change now because when I got into this business these were the rules".....so it doesn't make sense to some of us when we hear ON providers saying this now. For some this change is not wanted but for others it is. There is never going to be a time when change pleases everyone so we really do have to either adapt or find another job sometimes.

It sucks...it really really does!! I don't think any of us in any province can say it wouldn't suck if our rules suddenly changed for the worse either. However, I don't think anyone is on a high horse or what have you......there are just different ways to approach this and that is coming through in some people's responses to this. If we all agreed with each other and never spoke our true opinion, what a boring site this would be!

I truly do feel for any and every provider this will affect in a negative way but like I've said earlier, my personality is one that would focus my time on my next plan and what I could do to survive and keep my hdc going....so of course that would be my advice to you. Others advice is what they would do depending on their type of personality. If I truly thought I had a chance to change something, than yes I would take those steps to do so. However, there are times when deep down you know it's not going to change so FOR ME, I would spend my time working on my back up plan and how I was going to provide the best for my family.

I really do wish you all the best of luck and I hope anyone who wants to stay in business can!! I agree with cfred, our job is an important one and one that I feel very lucky and blessed to be able to do and I know I would be passionate about a rule(s) change too!!

[Rachael]

Just some thoughts as I've read some recent posts....

I don't think anyone is saying "bend over and take it with a smile" but we all approach things differently. Some will fight to their death to change things while others accept it for what it is and will spend their time and energy getting their plan into place for when the change takes affect while others will do a bit of both. There are also the types who will do nothing and will continue on like they have been and hope/pray they don't get caught. I don't think any approach is better than another, it's what makes the world go 'round...all the different personalities

Every job/career has the potential for change, ours is not unique in this. Of course any job/career we choose will be dependent on our life in that moment of time. Nothing is a guarantee though, jobs change day to day. Is it fair? Not always in my opinion. Is it life? YES! It is up to us to adapt and change our game plan (maybe we have to buy a smaller house, maybe we can't have another child, maybe we can't do our yearly trip, maybe we can't do xxx)....it really is live or die sometimes. If the bill had been to increase numbers, in turn increasing your income, nobody would be saying "hey, it's been xx amount of kids for years, it's not fair to change now because when I got into this business these were the rules".....so it doesn't make sense to some of us when we hear ON providers saying this now. For some this change is not wanted but for others it is. There is never going to be a time when change pleases everyone so we really do have to either adapt or find another job sometimes.

It sucks...it really really does!! I don't think any of us in any province can say it wouldn't suck if our rules suddenly changed for the worse either. However, I don't think anyone is on a high horse or what have you......there are just different ways to approach this and that is coming through in some people's responses to this. If we all agreed with each other and never spoke our true opinion, what a boring site this would be!

I truly do feel for any and every provider this will affect in a negative way but like I've said earlier, my personality is one that would focus my time on my next plan and what I could do to survive and keep my hdc going....so of course that would be my advice to you. Others advice is what they would do depending on their type of personality. If I truly thought I had a chance to change something, than yes I would take those steps to do so. However, there are times when deep down you know it's not going to change so FOR ME, I would spend my time working on my back up plan and how I was going to provide the best for my family.

I really do wish you all the best of luck and I hope anyone who wants to stay in business can!! I agree with cfred, our job is an important one and one that I feel very lucky and blessed to be able to do and I know I would be passionate about a rule(s) change too!!

Exactly. People might not like my approach to life, and that's fine, but it has nothing to do with empathy, sympathy or even a high horse. It's just a realistic approach not every has or appreciates. If someone chooses to get bent out of shape about my approach, that's on them. Me..? I'd rather invest that frustrated energy in something productive, like maybe getting a second job.

[innisfildaycare]

Jesus Rachel.. It's one thing to be opinionated and another to be just down right annoying.... You are worse then a broken record, you go on and on and on and on and this isn't the only thread where you have done so. Speaking about productive, maybe you should find other "productive" things to do and talk about....somewhere else!!

[Rachael]

Jesus Rachel.. It's one thing to be opinionated and another to be just down right annoying.... You are worse then a broken record, you go on and on and on and on and this isn't the only thread where you have done so. Speaking about productive, maybe you should find other "productive" things to do and talk about....somewhere else!!

Thanks for you huge and valid contribution to this conversation. Your points about this subject are exactly zilch and your only post was merely to attack me for expressing mine. But feel free to jump on the coat-tails of those who don't like my view, without contributing a damn thing yourself.

I have no issue if you want to step out of the crowd and give me a little shove, but expect to be pushed back into line. If you need to be part of the crowd mentality, that says more about you than it says about me.

You are entitled to your opinion about what you consider annoying - I am entitled to feel annoyed about how Bill 10 has taken over these forums even though these are meant to be National forums for day care. Just as I am entitled to be annoyed about the repeated woe-is-me posts when it's been known that these changes were potentially coming for some time, and that they aren't being implemented immediately.

Do you feel better now for standing in the crowd of "have a go at Rachael people"? Ironically the same people who often are in uproar about "bullying" when someone speaks out again their view.

If you don't like my posts, skim by them. You are a grown up. Put your big girl panties on and move on. Or do you sit in front of your TV, remote by your side and complain about the shocking content of a program when all you need to do is switch channel?

You might consider my repeated posts annoying but if you actually look, each one is in direct response to someone who has directed a comment to me. If for one second you think that people are entitled to direct a comment to anybody and yet that person is not equally entitled to respond, you likely need to move to a different country. Here, when one is addressed personally, a response is likely.

[Fun&care]

The thing is Rachael, at this point it's clear that it's you who actually needs to switch channels. If you don't like us talking about Bill 10 that's fair. Please just skim by our posts or threads moving forward. As you've mentioned, this is a forum where people are free to discuss whatever they want and should be able to share their opinions freely and those of us in Ontario are going to keep talking about this and discussing this. Sorry if that annoys you. I am done with this thread at this point as it has definitely gone way too far.

[Rachael]

Don;t let the door hit you on exit

[CrazyEight]

For the love of god, please grow up. "Don't let the door hit you" - was that really necessary?