Who would you believe.??

[bright sparks]

In BC if the Parent is with the child you do not count the child in your numbers
you are looking after your daycare children and the parent is looking after her child

And this is how I thought it was in Ontario too

[babydom]

innisfildaycare..... ..Yes of coarse I'm being over caution. But this is my livelihood and I'm not rich so I have to. A caregiver around the corner from me got fined 2000$ because she was one over five for FIVE mintues. Cuz a parent was late and didn't pick up before a school child came home. I'm not sure where you are but here they are sooooo picky and I have a really mean neighbour that's out for me. So as stupid as I may be ill continue to follow the rules to a tee. I'm not willing to take any risks regardless how small they may seem.

[TinyTwigs]

babydom where do you live? Do you think your neighbour would really do something so mean? I totally understand what both are saying as many providers are worried and that too could be due to location and neighbourhood but there are so many providers who don't give a s***! The other day there were 3 of them smoking cigarettes at the park talking about lowering prices and taking 10 kids in each one admitted she had 15! There will be providers who wont go by the ages I know of one and the parents are fine with it. But those are the kind of people Im sure they will be after.

I never thought living in a Condo could benefit me because I found a loop hole. If a parent comes to my door to pick up with their other children they can wait outside my door (hallway)since technically that is not my property only whats past the door.

[innisfildaycare]

Babydom- I totally understand, but pleaae keep in mind that ur neighbour actually did have more then 5 kids in her care at that moment, whether it was 5 min or not. That is totally different then a parent pickin up a child with their other child. I also would think there was more to that story then so happens the agents showed up at her door whe she was over 1 kid for 5 minutes. I mean if the agents came after the fact, would proof would they have to give a fine of $2000.00? It would be a he said she said game, hence the fact, there has got I be more behind that $2000 fine. Just curious where abouts you are located?

[Busy ECE mommy]

I have 2 sets of parents who pickup with the older sibling in tow(who don't come to my daycare), and they stick around about 10 minutes, so does that make me over ratio even with their parent present? If so, what do I tell them to do with the other child? One parent takes the bus too.

[babydom]

That's our neighbour she made the complaint that she was one over. Told them the exact time. They happen to show up at that time and she got fined. Of coarse that's what I know from the caregiver. And ur right there definitely can be more to the fine, I was thinking that too. But it scared me none the less. I have a neighbour that hates kids. Gets mad if one steps on her driveway gets mad when we're playing outside and being Loud. Then I also have another daycare five doors down who hates me!!! Is soooo jealous that I'm always full and she's not. Copies me to a tee to annoy me. I wish I lived on a street where it was just me as a daycare and everyone else was at work then I could do whatever I want without to much worry of calls. Our street is also very busy with ppl not cars. Our street leads to a playgroup, library, shopping centre, EYC centre, bank and daycare centre. So many ppl walk by my place to get somewhere. I just feel like there are sooooo many eyes on me then it makes me feel like I'm walking on egg shells. U know?

[babydom]

Well apparently yes u would be over according to these new rules. Some are saying they have to tell the parents to pick up with out the child. Or get the child to wait off ur property. But a lot are saying it's also against the law to leave a child alone while picking up another. so many are ignoring that one. Honestly I will probably too. Nervous about it but I'll just make sure pick ups and drop offs are quick no sibling comes in to play like they do now.

[TinyTwigs]

Babydom I totally understand and that is so horrible! I have a neighbour who called the ministry to complain that I was over my numbers and they came here to inspect me. When the inspectors came here the stood at my door (they came around nap time) I told them to come on in and take a look they said no it was okay they didn't want to disrupt the kids. I could have had 25 kids in a room and they didn't move past the door which I think is so sad/wrong.

If you are in Ontario I asked the ministry to clear something up while they were here (I also asked about Bill 10 they said they couldn't give me any detail bc they didn't know lol) I asked them if I have 5 full-time kids can I take in 5 more kids for before and after school care. She told me that one before and after school care counts as a one space so if you take in 3 before/after school you can only take in 2 additional kids full-time. The fact she was over her numbers means she wasn't operating her daycare legally she was over her number regardless of pick up times. There is one daycare in my area who got shut up down bc she had 5 full-time and 5 before/after school and when she went to drop the kids off at school she left the full-time kids with her 16 year old daughter. She should have had only 5 kids regardless if it was full-time, part-time or before/after school and she didn't follow and took in extra kids.

I personally think your neighbours is a little crazy how she could pin point when that child is there or how many extra and the exact time is so crazy to me lol She must really pay attention to what you guys do!!

Another reason why I am happy im in a building lol

[babydom]

Oh I know she has nothing better to do. Lol I know all about the ratios I just felt bad for that caregiver because you can have as many kids enrolled as you want as long as you have no more than five at one time so it worked really well for her that she had five during the day and one would leave at 300 and then another one we would come at 3:35/340 after school to replace that one. he would never be there on school holidays or summer or anything so it worked well. just so happened that one day the parent was late picking up at 345. School boy came at 340 and so did ministry. Then mom came 345 so literary 5 mins to the min . I think the mom paid the fine because it was her fault for being late. But ofcoarse there could have been more to it. I just got the one side of it.

[babydom]

Yes I'm in Ontario few hrs from TO