Overlap? No thanks!

[5 Little Monkeys]

Not my battle here, but I am curious. Is "double-dipping", as it is being called, morally wrong, legally wrong, or smart business practice? Many of us call ourselves first and foremost a business, yet express negative judgment toward a provider who has found a way to maximize her earnings, legally and transparently. I didn't perceive from her posts that she was doing anything in a sneaky way, or otherwise misleading her full-time families. Again, parents have agreed ahead of time to adhere to a schedule given weeks before, and everything is above board.

We work on an industry that has very limited potential for earnings. She has found a way to earn extra income on days she has a vacancy. As far as I know there is no law that says we can be paid only once per space. I don't do this, but I actually think it's kind of genius.

For me, it's morally wrong and a dumb business move. Yes, it may give you some extra money in the short term but long term, I don't think parents would be happy about it. I still think the first family paying for the spot should be given first dibs. I just don't understand charging parents ft but than saying they can't come. Like superfun said, I would think most parents (when they catch onto what's happening) would just say they need all 5 days and than call in 1-2 days saying they don't need care. That's the only way they're guaranteed care for whenever they want.

[mickyc]

For myself I have never understood the contracted hours thing. I didn't read the initial post as it was deleted so this all could be a miscommunication? If you have a set weekly fee for certain contracted hours then by all means tell them no if other days/times are not available.

For myself I only have full-time kids and everyday is available to them. They can come and go as they please within my operating hours, I just ask for a text if they are going to be earlier or later. I do "double dip" as I do take an older sibling on Christmas and spring break when another child is away (and still paying me).

Without the Initial post its hard to respond as I was late to the argument

[dodge__driver11]

For myself I have never understood the contracted hours thing. I didn't read the initial post as it was deleted so this all could be a miscommunication? If you have a set weekly fee for certain contracted hours then by all means tell them no if other days/times are not available.

For myself I only have full-time kids and everyday is available to them. They can come and go as they please within my operating hours, I just ask for a text if they are going to be earlier or later. I do "double dip" as I do take an older sibling on Christmas and spring break when another child is away (and still paying me).

Without the Initial post its hard to respond as I was late to the argument

Micky I would not consider this double dipping, as the family contracted to this space has first dibs right?

[mickyc]

Yes definitely. But she's a teacher and always away for Christmas and spring break. I don't charge her for summer and the older sibling fills that space then

[crayolamom]

Dodge you might want to re read that post above then come back to me about being rude and double dipping "honey". I sign parents on a contract that point out their days and hours and DEPENDING on the amount of days they want they pay a certain fee.

I got this idea from an older post ON THIS FORM where someone was coming to their home daycare 4 days a week, had to pay full time rates and that 5th day was never made available to them.

That is not what I do, I give parents the option of how many days and what days they want. If they only come 4 days I charge 100 less per month IF they want all days available they pay full time regardless. I set my fees corresponding to the flexibility they need and how often they come.

That's not my issue my issue is parents who claim they NEVER need a day or we sign on contract and all of a sudden they want that day but that was fill will drop offs. That's too much confusion and too much of a run around. Agreed that 2 weeks may be too long but I will work around that. BUT if I sing someone for 4 days a week and they don't need the 5th day then they want to change their mind TOO BAD because that would breach of contract and the right for instant termination.

I run my business how I want and I have never had an issue. Majority of you want to give me shit for "double dipping" but I remember not too long ago running errands on the job was okay lol in the end if majority rules lets shit on the other providers which is why majority (not all some of the ladies on this form are wonderful) of you were referenced as pitbulls! Exhibit a dodge drive who wants to talk about diversion about me claiming people are rude meanwhile I'm referenced to as honey lol ground breaking

[5 Little Monkeys]

Dodge you might want to re read that post above then come back to me about being rude and double dipping "honey". I sign parents on a contract that point out their days and hours and DEPENDING on the amount of days they want they pay a certain fee.

I got this idea from an older post ON THIS FORM where someone was coming to their home daycare 4 days a week, had to pay full time rates and that 5th day was never made available to them.

That is not what I do, I give parents the option of how many days and what days they want. If they only come 4 days I charge 100 less per month IF they want all days available they pay full time regardless. I set my fees corresponding to the flexibility they need and how often they come.

That's not my issue my issue is parents who claim they NEVER need a day or we sign on contract and all of a sudden they want that day but that was fill will drop offs. That's too much confusion and too much of a run around. Agreed that 2 weeks may be too long but I will work around that. BUT if I sing someone for 4 days a week and they don't need the 5th day then they want to change their mind TOO BAD because that would breach of contract and the right for instant termination.

I run my business how I want and I have never had an issue. Majority of you want to give me shit for "double dipping" but I remember not too long ago running errands on the job was okay lol in the end if majority rules lets shit on the other providers which is why majority (not all some of the ladies on this form are wonderful) of you were referenced as pitbulls! Exhibit a dodge drive who wants to talk about diversion about me claiming people are rude meanwhile I'm referenced to as honey lol ground breaking

Many of your posts (on this and other threads) come across as rude, defensive and mean. It's hard to have a conversation with someone like this. Double dipping and running errands are 2 different things. Again, it's hard to keep up with you because you keep bringing up irrelevant points that are different than your op.

[dodge__driver11]

I am out, you don't see my point at all... LOL and Honey is not rude, its a term I use...

See ya I am gonna go enjoy my tea now that I have done dishes cleaned up lunch etc. You can divert and dodge all you want, getting pissy with me, because I told you what I FELT, was the right thing to do.

Don't make this about other shit as you call it, because we don't agree.

[mickyc]

So I am not sure what your main point to the thread was. Like I said I missed the first post. So by what you just said you run off contracted hours charging less for those who don't need 5 days. So a family wants to switch days now? It's an easy no is it not because someone else has the other contracted hours?

If that's the case this whole thread is pointless. Or am I missing something?

[5 Little Monkeys]

So I am not sure what your main point to the thread was. Like I said I missed the first post. So by what you just said you run off contracted hours charging less for those who don't need 5 days. So a family wants to switch days now? It's an easy no is it not because someone else has the other contracted hours?

If that's the case this whole thread is pointless. Or am I missing something?

I agree, if that's the case than of course saying no would be reasonable and no double dipping would be occurring.

Her first post said she charges ft though and if they don't give 2 weeks notice they are not allowed to change as she's filled it with casual care.

It's confusing to follow as she's changing the story it seems? I'm not sure anymore!! Lol

[dodge__driver11]

So I am not sure what your main point to the thread was. Like I said I missed the first post. So by what you just said you run off contracted hours charging less for those who don't need 5 days. So a family wants to switch days now? It's an easy no is it not because someone else has the other contracted hours?

If that's the case this whole thread is pointless. Or am I missing something?

I think I may have totally missed the boat here, I seem to recall her OP being about a family paying a full time rate, and wanting to switch days without two weeks notice, and that's when the bulk of us said that we FELT it was wrong to charge a full time weekly fee if only giving part time access.

I for one, do not recall her mentioning contracted hours at all, now she does? I am very confused.

I too have contracted hours, but this is not how I do it at all, not even close, but that's cool.