Help...newby daycare provider needs advice.

[Buggaboo]

Hey there,

I am new to this forum and a fairly new daycare provider (started in Aug. 2015). My mom and I run a group home daycare with 11 kids per day.
We are looking to other daycare providers for some advice.

First we have a child who is turning 4, he is very behind developmentally (doesn't talk, doesn't participate in any activities, etc.). All he knows how to do is roar. He constantly hits, kicks, pulls hair, pinches, etc. He only comes for a few hours twice a week. He is still in pull ups as he still poops and pees in his pants. His parents treat him like an infant. We have tried talking to them on many occasions but this does not help. We have now had him for 6 months with no change.

Second we have a child who is 4. She poops on average 8-10 times a day as she is on a laxative that her parents give her as their pediatrician advised this. She has a tantrum every time she has to go to the bathroom and poops in her pants half the time on purpose. The parents said it's a behavior thing. We have tried to be patient and work with her but we are quite frustrated. The mom gets emotional when we try and address our concerns and frustration.

Third we have a child who has major behavior issues. He is 2 1/2. Daily tantrums that include spitting, hitting, kicking, biting, pinching, pulling hair, etc. We have tried so many different reward systems, time outs, etc. but it doesn't work. He also poops in his pants daily and has now started peeing everywhere and thinks it's funny. We have tried to talk to his parents many times and nothing changes.

All of the children above we have had now for 6-7 months. We are trying to be patient and work with the kids and parents but have come close to quitting a few times due to frustration. We are both new to daycare and we are looking to others with experience as to any advice. Would you terminate? Try something else?

Help please.

Thank you!
Dawn

[Lee-Bee]

Are you legally permitted to have 11 kids? To my knowledge most provinces limit the number of children in home daycares per roof, not per adult. In Ontario you are limited to 5 children per house no matter how many adults you have working in it. Where are you located? Just be warned the fines for having more than 5 children in Ontario are now $250,000

As the daycare provider I would be inquiring as to why a 4 yr old is on a laxative. It sounds like the child is pooping way more than normal so it isn't an issue with constipation. Do you know the child's medical history? How is their child's appetite and weight?

As for the almost 4 year old boy, what does he do the rest of the week? Is he at home or is he receiving supports elsewhere. There are some major red flags here and he should be receiving outside supports to not only diagnose him but to have a plan in place to help him advance. What are his plans for school in the fall?

[Crayola kiddies]

what province are you in?

[Suzie_Homemaker]

Do you know that additional help (adults) does NOT mean double the children? The regs change by province but no province allows 11 kids! It's a limit per dayhome not per adult in the home.

[5 Little Monkeys]

Do you know that additional help (adults) does NOT mean double the children? The regs change by province but no province allows 11 kids! It's a limit per dayhome not per adult in the home.

http://www.gov.mb.ca/fs/childcare/fa..._childcare/#a4

[Buggaboo]

Hi there,

Yes I am very aware of the licensed number of children. We are classified as a group home daycare in Manitoba where you are permitted to have up to 12 children including your own with 2 adults. We have met all regulations and are able to have 11 children. If you look at the Manitoba Child Care Government page you will find this classification. Again, yes I am absolutely aware and permitted!

[superfun]

Hi there,

Yes I am very aware of the licensed number of children. We are classified as a group home daycare in Manitoba where you are permitted to have up to 12 children including your own with 2 adults. We have met all regulations and are able to have 11 children. If you look at the Manitoba Child Care Government page you will find this classification. Again, yes I am absolutely aware and permitted!

Hi! I'm also in manitoba. I've looked into the group childcare, I would like to do it, but it's so hard to find another adult that I want to work with and rely on every day. Good for you guys!
As far as your situation, I agree with 5LM, my advice is the same as hers.

[Buggaboo]

Hi Superfun!

Thank you for the note and I appreciate the feedback! Yes, my mom and I used to run a family kids entertainment business a few years ago and loved it. This allowed us to work with kids again but a smaller scale. I agree, it is very hard to find reliable individuals to work with in a close environment.

[5 Little Monkeys]

Hi! I'm also in manitoba. I've looked into the group childcare, I would like to do it, but it's so hard to find another adult that I want to work with and rely on every day. Good for you guys!
As far as your situation, I agree with 5LM, my advice is the same as hers.

When I move to a bigger home, it's something I've considered too! Let's do it I wonder how sick days work tho....if one is too sick to work is there a group of kids that can't come that day? Or do you get a sub? Or do you close completely?

[superfun]

When I move to a bigger home, it's something I've considered too! Let's do it I wonder how sick days work tho....if one is too sick to work is there a group of kids that can't come that day? Or do you get a sub? Or do you close completely?

My friend runs a group childcare, and she typically gets a sub for any time her or her coworker are away. But if that isn't possible, then only 5 kids are allowed to come in.

Edited to add: if we want to seriously look into it in the future, we should probably get our ece diploma. Whoever has it should use their house, so the rates are the same as a centre. However, I think we could still choose to not be funded.