Day Care for $15.00 per day, Nationally - NDP Proposal

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Originally Posted by cfred

Oh, for sure AmandaKDT. The government would pay the remainder. But you can bet that the rates won't be kept at the levels that they are now. I'm currently $46/day. I'd be absolutely shocked if I got anywhere near that with government setting the fees. They'll want to keep the costs as low as possible because taxpayers are going to be flipping out about more taxes. You can be darned sure it'll be ECEs who will subsidize the rates, once again. It has always, always, always been this way. I get the plight on both sides. However, ECEs need to start standing up for themselves. We can't and shouldn't always be expected to take the hit to satisfy everyone else.

I'd be pretty surprised if this went through at all. I think the majority of people get that it's a flawed system in Quebec. They also know that the taxes in Scandanavian countries are astronomical. There are lots and lots of people out there who are not for a universal daycare plan.

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Yes, I really don't see how it would work overall. There needs to be a more complex explanation provided on how exactly the program would work. In Manitoba, a majority of private home daycares charge around $30 a day whereas in other provinces it is much more than that. Also the minimum wage, cost of living, etc. varies from province to province. So how can it make sense that it is $15 nationally. There is no way the government would subsidize you $30 per day per spot to keep you on par with the rates you charge now.

not to mention that you only get the top off every 3 months with an agency.

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Originally Posted by AmandaKDT

Don't hold me to this, but it likely that the $15 a day would only be the PARENT fees. With being licensed I charge the parents only $18.20 per day but I get government grant money on top of that for every one of my daycare spots. There is no way I could do this otherwise, it is not enough income with just the parent fees.

Not that I think this election promise is going to happen, but just thought I would share that info.

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Yes - that's how I imagined it would be. Parents paying $15 and the government settling the rest. There's no way day carers or centres can live off just $15 a day - that $1.50 per hour so $9 if full before expenses. Below minimum wage.

I think my concern is that the government settling the difference might mean we all have to be registered and here, that makes no sense if you have any business ability yourself. The numbers are exactly the same registered or not but there are restrictions on ages for those registered. This means instead of just trying to find a client who is a good match, I'd also have to find one whose child happens to be the right age for the vacancy.

Wow - so even subsidiary work differently across the county? That's really interesting.

In NS, a registered provider can still only have 6 kids including her own however they can take subsidized clients. But the providers are NOT paid for each of the places carte blanche.

What happens is the parents are assessed and awarded subsidary based on their income, work/school hours, etc. The MAX amount is $22 a day for all day care and $17 for BAS care but few are entitled to that much support.

So those clients who do get assistance, pay the outstanding amount of Day care fees - their personal subsided amounts. Therefore every single client getting assistance is paying a different amount. There is no government top up unless the individual qualifies for it so it's common to have a mixture of clients paying full cost and clients paying part with the government settling up the difference the following month only for those entitled to help.

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not to mention that you only get the top off every 3 months with an agency.

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Another difference.

Here the provider does the paperwork at month end and submits to the agency. The agency files with the government who about a week later, send the fees. Then the agency divides the one government payment up between the carers based on entitlement. Can take a couple of weeks or so.

So if a provider her was charging say $35 a day and the family had been assessed as getting $20 in assistance, the family would pay their $15 as per the providers pay schedule. But the rest would have to wait until the end of the month + approx 2 weeks for the government $20.

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Originally Posted by Rachael

Wow - so even subsidiary work differently across the county? That's really interesting.

In NS, a registered provider can still only have 6 kids including her own however they can take subsidized clients. But the providers are NOT paid for each of the places carte blanche.

What happens is the parents are assessed and awarded subsidary based on their income, work/school hours, etc. The MAX amount is $22 a day for all day care and $17 for BAS care but few are entitled to that much support.

So those clients who do get assistance, pay the outstanding amount of Day care fees - their personal subsided amounts. Therefore every single client getting assistance is paying a different amount. There is no government top up unless the individual qualifies for it so it's common to have a mixture of clients paying full cost and clients paying part with the government settling up the difference the following month only for those entitled to help.

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I find this so interesting to learn about the differences across Canada. Like AmandaKDT mentioned, if you choose to get licensed, and choose to be funded, the parents pay 18.20/day to the provider and we get additional funding every 3 months for every spot. If a parent qualifies for subsidy, they get approved for a certain amount, for example I'll say they get approved for the maximum amount. They are still responsible for $2/day, and at the end of each 4 week period, I receive the remainder (16.20/day) from the province.

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Originally Posted by superfun

I find this so interesting to learn about the differences across Canada. Like AmandaKDT mentioned, if you choose to get licensed, and choose to be funded, the parents pay 18.20/day to the provider and we get additional funding every 3 months for every spot. If a parent qualifies for subsidy, they get approved for a certain amount, for example I'll say they get approved for the maximum amount. They are still responsible for $2/day, and at the end of each 4 week period, I receive the remainder (16.20/day) from the province.

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Really interesting. No top up or additional funding here at all!

It's literally a case of the parents paying their carer's rate less any subsidiary the have been assessed as being entitled to, and the government paying via the agency, the subsidiary amount.

No top ups.
No extra funding.
No funding for places empty.
No funding for places occupied by clients not entitled to subsidiary.

So for us, it's the 6 places max and our income is wholly number of places occupied x daily rate
(which might be paid by parent or parent & subsidiary combination).

Good for you to be Debt free in 4 months 33 Daisys

I agree with everyone -it means more taxes and the gov will not give us our full fees
so we would lose out
as Sillygirl_C said daycare fees are not cheap in Vancouver
a lot of Parents would want the cheap d/care but not the taxes
what about the people who don't want children but their taxes are raised too to pay for daycare