Bill 10 Update

I was given 2 weeks notice for 3 siblings I have in care. A set of twins who are 11 months and a 3 year old. Parents wanted me to hold the spit for 3 months while a family member from the Philippines took care of them. No way was I about to do that, any how's hey know about the bill and I told them have fun finding care in a few months if this bill passes. So I have 3 spots to fill and I'm raising my rates for under 2 by $5 and $1 for over 2. Perhaps will even raise my rates higher if I have a hard time filling my spits or I will be forced to close.

So once the child reaches 2, will you girls reduce your rates.

I have hopes of my province (MB) relaxing the numbers rule a bit but with this happening, I doubt it will ever happen now :(

The sudden loss of income over Christmas is tough though! I feel for you all that will be affected by this new law.

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Originally Posted by Samantha33

With rates going up for legal daycare, illegal daycare will pop up a dime a dozen. I feel in my city legal daycare will still have a hard time filling spots because of this. I would never even get close to $5 more per day for a child under 2.

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My thoughts EXACTLY Samantha:)

With lack of spots available for under 2 if this bill passes....I don't see a problem getting the extra 5.00 a day for an under 2 spot Samantha! I feel bad for the part timers I have because part time will no longer exist...either 5 days or by by.....

Fun&care.....Where does your sister live that she can have 7 or 8 kids?

About 40 of us attended a meeting with MPP Lisa Macleod this evening, she was amazing and gave us a lot of inspiration especially after a trying day in the legislature.

what came of your meeting?

Lisa explained the committee process, and encouraged us to continue to network with other providers, contacting our local MPPS and to email/call the premier's office, the house leaders office and liz sandals office in Guelph. She will be attending the Rally in Guelph on Sunday along with Garfield Dunlop. We have 91 people coming so far. She told us not to give up! It is likely that her and Mr Dunlop will be involved with the committee hearings so that is a good thing.

She expects Bill 10 to be passed by Dec 11th. What can we do to try to get the Bill amended?

1) Network - spread the word and decide what the top things to amend are
2) Contact you MPP by phone and email. Contact Y Naqvi , Wynne at don valley office, and Liz Sandals at her Guelph office.
Y Naqvi ynaqvi .mpp.co@liberal.ola. org
L Sandals lsandals.mpp.co@libe ral.ola.org
K Wynne premier@ontario.ca

3)Write a letter to the clerk for the committee to be part of the deputents - by letter, video conference or in person (Nov 17th and 18th) vquioc@ola.org

4) Email the committee tabunsp-qp@ndp.on.ca fgelinas-qp@ndp.on.ca ganderson.mpp.co@lib eral.ola.org vdhillon.mpp.co@libe ral.ola.org christine.elliott@pc .ola.org mflalonde.mpp.co@lib eral.ola.org amangat.mpp.co@liber al.ola.org gila.martow@pc.ola.o rg kmcgarry.mpp.co@libe ral.ola.org

Also CICPO is putting out a press release today to pretty much every major news outlet.

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Originally Posted by sandylynn

Fun&care.....Where does your sister live that she can have 7 or 8 kids?

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She has five plus her own.

Other than coming right out and asking my parents, is there any other way I can tell if they have signed the petition?

I have to ask this.....

For months, my counterparts from other cities and myself have been absolutely killing ourselves fighting this bill. Many of us, myself included, spent hundreds of dollars funding our rallies. I took time off from work to attend a press conference. We've all been printing letters, emailing constantly and tried tirelessly to deal with the rampant apathy of the independent childcare industry. I personally phoned and emailed about 80 providers looking for support for this cause....nada. The last 3 days before my vacation were spent printing 150 emails, entering names and phone numbers from petitions, emailing politicians who attended my rally, etc, etc, etc. I worked until the very last second before I boarded the plane and have continued to email and make phone calls from Curacao. I've lost sleep, weight and have stressed about this endlessly....my boyfriend who has helped me more than any of the local providers in my town can attest to that....or my sister and parents who helped with the rally....this list goes on. But to have only ONE provider attend is, I'm sorry....dismal.

What I want to know is this......for months when I contacted providers and when I posted messages in here about rallies, progress or, frankly, anything about this issue....where was everyone? I was met with resounding silence and non commitment. Now when something adverse to our industry has actually happened, everyone comes out of the woodwork to discuss this? I really don't understand. For those who helped and gave it their all, thank you from the bottom of my heart. For those who couldn't have been bothered until now......either roll up your sleeves with the rest of us who are driving ourselves crazy to deal with this, help out, or just keep your complaints to yourselves. My patience is at an end with this nonsense. We've been fighting for all of us....you included.

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Originally Posted by cfred

I have to ask this.....

For months, my counterparts from other cities and myself have been absolutely killing ourselves fighting this bill. Many of us, myself included, spent hundreds of dollars funding our rallies. I took time off from work to attend a press conference. We've all been printing letters, emailing constantly and tried tirelessly to deal with the rampant apathy of the independent childcare industry. I personally phoned and emailed about 80 providers looking for support for this cause....nada. The last 3 days before my vacation were spent printing 150 emails, entering names and phone numbers from petitions, emailing politicians who attended my rally, etc, etc, etc. I worked until the very last second before I boarded the plane and have continued to email and make phone calls from Curacao. I've lost sleep, weight and have stressed about this endlessly....my boyfriend who has helped me more than any of the local providers in my town can attest to that....or my sister and parents who helped with the rally....this list goes on. But to have only ONE provider attend is, I'm sorry....dismal.

What I want to know is this......for months when I contacted providers and when I posted messages in here about rallies, progress or, frankly, anything about this issue....where was everyone? I was met with resounding silence and non commitment. Now when something adverse to our industry has actually happened, everyone comes out of the woodwork to discuss this? I really don't understand. For those who helped and gave it their all, thank you from the bottom of my heart. For those who couldn't have been bothered until now......either roll up your sleeves with the rest of us who are driving ourselves crazy to deal with this, help out, or just keep your complaints to yourselves. My patience is at an end with this nonsense. We've been fighting for all of us....you included.

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I couldn't agree with you more cfred, I thanks you and all the team leads as well as Veronica, Heidi and Kim for all you have done. I did what I could, wanted to be able to do more in regards to organizing a weekday rally at queens park and nobody was up for it. So frustrating!!! Just know you are thanked by many

cfred, I understand your concerns. I know your very upset. In the defence of many who didn't help out, I'd like to say, not everyone has hundreds or even one hundred dollars at their disposal, not everyone has the time; due to family issues, not everyone can afford to take a day off for a Rally let alone a sick day, not everyone has the time to keep watch on this or any other site for updates. I do feel that their are girls keeping abreast of the situation even though they can't help. I don't think it's fair to link us all in one lump. Everyone has different circumstances in their lives. It doesn't mean we don't care or aren't concerned, it means some of us don't have the luxuries others do. I say this and yet I still understand how you can be upset.

"luxuries others do"?? Really? People couldn't sign a petition? Couldn't take an hour out of their Sunday afternoon to come to an event organized for you and hold up a sign??

It is not about having the time, it is about not putting in the effort and the care because you assume someone else will. Now that suddenly the reality is hitting, all of our groups have seen providers appear out of the woodwork. Providers that we tried to reach for MONTHS, just to get a signature on a petition, a body to count in the calculations that were read during debates. Not everyone needs to organize a rally, all people needed to do was SHOW UP.

I've spent the last week hand-holding provider after provider explaining the Bill, explaining how it will affect them, taking yet more time out of my day and away from my family, because they couldn't be bothered to take 20 minutes one evening and read through the Bill and educate themselves. It's not a big commitment.

And yet I keep on doing it, because if I don't, maybe no one else will, and then somebody who doesn't know what they're talking about will somehow get themselves in front of the media that we have spent MONTHS lobbying, and that person will talk about a Bill they don't understand and make all of us look like idiots.

Cfred took the words right out of my mouth. I am doing all of this so that when this Bill inevitably gets passed, and my income literally goes below the poverty line, I can still know that I did everything I could to stand up for my business, my family and my clients. I'm not sure that many will be able to say the same.

Sorry, it had to be said.

I have also tried to contact providers in my area and have received no response at all from them. I am not rich my any means nor do I drive but I managed to donate a small amount to the rally fund and CICPO itself. I also found a way to get to Oakville for the day of action, as well as to the meeting with MPP Macleod the other night. I will also be in Guelph on sunday. I have written countless emails, shared info on Facebook and here. I will not be able to get to Queens park for the hearings but you can bet I will be sending a written submission and I have asked my parents to do the same. I understand that life is busy, especially if you have young children of your own, fortunately mine is 21 so she is independent. But it only takes a few minutes to write down a few meaningful points about how the bill will impact you and send it off to the commitee. This Bill will impact everyone, providers and parents alike. I am scared too for the future of my chosen profession but if we don't keep fighting for what we believe in, nothing will change and even if we don't succeed at least we can say we fought with everything we had. Just my 2 cents.

LOL!!! Luxuries??? Wow......no, sorry...I don't particularly have the luxury of extra time or money. I'm a single mother with a modest business and a very tight schedule. I MADE the time to do all this and borrowed money from other things. In other words, I made a commitment to do everything I could to save this industry. Had we all chipped in, perhaps things might have been easier for everyone. And really, I've done nothing in comparison to those three women in Ottawa. My god they're fantastic! We all owe them tremendously. The point is that it's inconvenient for anyone to participate in something like this. But really, it's very simple....if you want to save your profession, and you're serious in that endeavor, inconvenience is a necessity. One has to commit to striving for change to actually achieve it. As I read recently, 'doing nothing is a great way to achieve nothing'. We all have stresses and I think my life is as busy as anyone's. BUT, I care about this industry and, like others who have contributed, I saw no sense in watching it happen. No one asked any providers to contribute money. As a team lead, I took the initiative to do that on my own, and I don't hold anyone else accountable to that. BUT, as I spent several days bent over poster board making signs, or running from one politician to the next at the rally trying to educate all of them as my sister worked on bringing more people in, I was absolutely resentful of providers.....provid ers who COULD have taken 2 hours out of a Sunday morning to assist or at the very least, be a warm body to show support. I watched people agonize for 4 pages in here over what snack to serve, but when it came to something as important as this bill, nothing. So please don't tell me people don't have time to follow it on the computer. This forum would indicate otherwise.

I'm not here looking for thanks. I offered my contributions as I wished to and no one asked me to do so. I wouldn't change a thing. I suspect though, that as this bill comes to fruition, not all of you can say the same. For those who helped, thank you. It is appreciated more than you can know. The show of support from those who took initiative to do what they could was tremendous and I value the new comradery among my peers as we've united to take on this task. As I said, for those who didn't wish to help, that's fine....your prerogative. But don't complain about the repercussions when it affects your livelihood.

Ahh Cfred....we've talked about this before. Soooo much easier to hide and whine.

Everyone is busy. Not everyone needs to lead a rally or meet with politicians.

No one is too busy to send out emails/letters, put flyers on mailboxes while walking to the park etc, donate $5 on gofundme etc. Getting the word out is just as important as organizing rallies and can be done while resting on ones laurels. Every little bit helps.

Some of these messages contradict themselves. "Do what you can" but yet make people feel bad for not doing enough. Some have done their best. Just because they don't advertise what they've done, remember that doesn't mean they haven't done anything. Maybe not enough in some views, but everyone does what they can in the circumstances and life challenges they are currently living. Pointing fingers will not help anything. Frustration and feeling are owned by you, venting is important but getting angry at those in this profession that haven't done what you wish they had is a waste of energy. Just my opinion. I have done what I could, reality is, we are still faced with this reality. We must stick together, not do...this. good luck to everyone with their plan moving forward. One thing I've learned this year is no matter what, things will be ok. Stay positive and do your best and have faith. I will continue what I've been doing and hope for all of us something will come out of it.

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Originally Posted by Polkaroo

Some of these messages contradict themselves. "Do what you can" but yet make people feel bad for not doing enough. Some have done their best. Just because they don't advertise what they've done, remember that doesn't mean they haven't done anything. Maybe not enough in some views, but everyone does what they can in the circumstances and life challenges they are currently living. Pointing fingers will not help anything. Frustration and feeling are owned by you, venting is important but getting angry at those in this profession that haven't done what you wish they had is a waste of energy. Just my opinion. I have done what I could, reality is, we are still faced with this reality. We must stick together, not do...this. good luck to everyone with their plan moving forward. One thing I've learned this year is no matter what, things will be ok. Stay positive and do your best and have faith. I will continue what I've been doing and hope for all of us something will come out of it.

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I didn't read anyone saying people didn't do enough. Comments were made about being too busy to do ANYTHING. Sending a single email is helping.

Second Wonderwiper's point. On my (small) city's page alone, I have had over 10 new providers join in the last 3 days. Not one of them has lifted a finger until now, despite my exhausting attempts to just get them to sign a petition or send an email - even one that was already written for them. Not only that, but they haven't bothered even paying attention. They have no idea what this Bill means or how it will affect them. These are the providers I have no patience for. Ones that couldn't be bothered to do a single thing and are now crying about the Bill. We would have appreciated the crying 3 months ago, so our petitions and letters and rallies and meetings with MPPs could have been that much stronger. We ALL have personal circumstances to deal with - but isn't this worth inconveniencing yourself a little bit? This is my career, my livelihood, my mortgage, my kids' lives. It was worth putting other things on the back burner months ago, and it's still worth it now. It's hard to feel sympathy for and spend hours explaining things for people who obviously didn't feel the same.

That's exactly my point Polkaroo. No one is upset that some people didn't do enough. If you contributed, that's flippin' awesome...and I mean it! There are 70,000 providers in Ontario. I do not believe for one second that even a 10th of those providers stepped up to the plate in any way. I ran into many who did absolutely nothing.....nothing. .....considering what's at stake, that's a dangerous position to maintain. My goodness.....I even ran into a provider at my rally who'd not even HEARD of bill 10! NO ONE is looking for a pat on the back here. But forgive us if we become a bit annoyed by those who couldn't participate at all by way of petitions, letters, educating parents/themselves, attending a weekend rally.....or anything.....if it was important enough to be upset about now and could cause detriment to one's livelihood, surely it's worth a bit of effort. My message is to those who did nothing.....there is no excuse for doing absolutely zippo, then whining and complaining about the aftermath. My hope is that people might take it a bit more seriously now and everyone pitch in a little so that we can be a stronger force. Can you imagine if 70,000 providers joined together and worked on this? Wow.....it could be incredible.....but we keep hearing "I'm too busy"...or in my case, crickets.

Because our livelihoods are at stake I understand the heat of the conversation. That being said...let's slow down a minute. I don't think tearing each other down for not doing enough is going to accomplish anything, at all. If you spent time and money for this cause then good for YOU. What everyone else does with their time and how much effort they are willing to put into this is absolutely none of your business.

Some of us don't run at full capacity at all times so we don't feel as threatened and add to the fact that many of us are just doing this until our kids are in school and it's no wonder ppl aren't doing more. This job is a stepping stone for many.

I for one have written letters of my own and signed petitions too and informed my clients. Nobody gives a shit about this bill. I might get 1-2 likes on FB when I share articles or info. My clients almost never follow up with me when I send them emails about the bill unless I bring it up.

Last but not least...ever consider that some providers might not be showing more support because they actually do not agree with CCPRN or CICPO's recommendations? I actually think providers own kids under six SHOULD count. I risk getting stoned for saying that, but it had to be said.

Oh, man...I just spent 20 mins composing a response and it has been lost in the land of wherever that stuff goes. I am too lazy to rewrite it all.

I agree we should all care a little more. I also agree we should all do a little more. That being said for some of the reasons mentioned above, there are definitely barriers to getting people involved. E.g we are made up of SAHM, new immigrants and people who work under the table (If they're included in that 70 000). The sub group that is left is the group that needs to step up becuas they have the most at stake. I find people either 1) fight or 2) figure out how they'll manage once this bill comes to fruition and see it as inevitable. I have definitely been part of the second group because this job is short term for me. I have written my letters and signed petitions but I know I can and should do more. I think part of what CFred is saying is that people also need to own up to the fact that they are doing nothing.

I can only imagine how incredibly frustrating it is for those that have put so much time, energy, effort into fighting this bill. For many this is indeed your livelihood, your passion, your career, your life.

It is important to remember, for your sake so you don't get hopeless or defeated that this field is, as mentioned above, largely made up of SAHM, immigrants and just random people that thought it an easy job. So, while you have this 70,000 member number in your head it really isn't feasible to expect them to be fighting like you as a large number of them don't care because it doesn't impact them like it impacts you. Some really have no clue, and don't care to have a clue. Some will just continue as is not caring about the laws (if they didn't before this bill why would they after).

So...keep all that in mind...know that for those that have put up a great fight you are recognized for it. Not by all, but by those that actually care.

I've done what I can on my own end (and it pales in comparison to many). I don't agree with the Bill 10 but I also don't agree with how things are status quo. The are clearly missing the mark here they get that changes need to be made but they haven't a clue where or how to improve things. AND to complicate matters the ones that NEED these laws and limits put on them are the ones that are not fighting this bill...because they don't know about it, don't care about it and won't be bothered by it. Which is exactly why they need to make other, more important changes to improve childcare.

Don't let silence and inaction defeat you. For some, like me...my silence about what I have done goes unspoken because it pales in comparison to a few on here that are working so hard. I think many others on here are keeping tabs on what you post, are well aware and greatful for what you ladies do...they just aren't commenting on the little things they are doing to make a difference. The ones that don't care aren't on here listening to you...because it takes a lot of effort to log onto a daycare chat board on a daily basis to remain informed (not only about the bill but all aspects of daycare). So, they just aren't here to be impacted by your strong front on this manner.

I know that I couldn't be at the rally in to, becuse im here in ottawa. It may not be seen as much, but we made flyers, by the undreds, put a sign on the stroller, and every day on the bus, at story time, at play group, s***, even when changing the kids bums at the mall, I've talked about bill 10 and the effects it will cause. Every single time I mention this to other daycare providers I get the same crappy Well it wont bother me, I'm not gonna change my numbers. I finally told one daycare provider yesterday at the park" If this bill passes, and you still have you 5 one year olds I will report you myself." Bitch move I know, but this was the same person, who said she wouldn't rally because it was to much work. Like come on for the love of godness sakes