Bill 10 has passed - law as of Jan. 2016

We need to get everyone informed as well. Once every single care provider knows about this bill 10 and that our only hope is Lisa well then everybody will want to help her get in.

A big percentage of the population doesnt follow politics because they dont think it concerns them especially daycare providers who have been running there businesses for decades following the rules and guidelines that made sence.

Hopefully Lisa will get in and keep her word in helping private day care providera get through that black cloud.

Here's a link to Lisa's Membership page. It costs $10 to join which buys you the right to vote her in. http://lisa4leader.ca/ I can't remember off the top of my head when the votes have to be in, but it's some time in Feb...mid to end I believe. Will verify and post.

She and Garfield Dunlop have been helping us every step of the way. Without them CICPO wouldn't have gotten into the Legislative process at all. Now we have broad media coverage, had several members at Standing Committee, have had press release from Queen's Park and have a seat at the upcoming meeting about the Regulatory Process. Even Dizzy Lizzy herself flew in secretly to meet with us and other sectors at a pre-election meeting. She had to be secretive knowing that if we'd known she'd be there, we'd have rallied outside the building. But the fact is that she knows we exist and we're not going away. Tomorrow night begins the first function in which Montessori and ICPs discuss joining together in the fight. We have a long way to go, but have made tremendous strides despite the passing of the bill. This isn't over.

http://www.cicpo.ca/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/CICPO/?ref=br_tf

https://www.facebook.com/groups/288234071301579/

Direct quote received from Lisa MacLeod via email, just now:


"As Leader of the PC Party I will make choice in childcare a priority. As Premier I would repeal Bill 10. "

And there you have it folks.

http://lisa4leader.ca/

Besides the ratios in childcare do you know if she has said anything about the so called sex ed curriculum Liz wants started in September

From what I've read, and I will speak to her more about it tomorrow night, is that Kathleen Wynne is maybe taking things a bit too far with our province's children without proper consultation of those who should really be in charge - their parents. This is a highly controversial curriculum which has had widely varied reviews. My personal belief is that, yes, our sex ed curriculum requires updating, but I feel, as does Lisa apparently, that Wynne's taking it too far without giving parents enough input. I believe they're only consulting with one parent from each school. Is that correct? That's what I seem to recall, anyway. Of course, that parent will be hand selected by the Ministry and will obviously be biased toward the curriculum, thereby setting the stage for all our children. Not all parents are comfortable with the curriculum and many of us still believe that a parent should still have the authority to decide when, where and how children learn about sex.

At the very least, there needs to be appropriate consultation. From what I know of Lisa, she believes the power of raising our children should be left to us, the parents. We should not have to wrestle it away from our government simply because they believe they know what's best for OUR families.

I am also a single mom as this is my only income. I have 3 children, 2 being under 6 and this will cripple my ability to provide for my family without taking some sort of serious measure. My thoughts are, I either raise my fees drastically, or if I am unable to do that, I will need to take an evening job as a waitress and miss out on my family life. I sure working until 2am will do wonders for my ability to provide quality care. In what other field would it be acceptable to deny someone the ability to make minimum wage? I have crunched the numbers, and Bill 10 will put me at about $8/hour. Denying the largest section of an industry the ability to work above the poverty line, is NOT a solution to improve quality!

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I am also a single mom as this is my only income. I have 3 children, 2 being under 6 and this will cripple my ability to provide for my family without taking some sort of serious measure. My thoughts are, I either raise my fees drastically, or if I am unable to do that, I will need to take an evening job as a waitress and miss out on my family life. I sure working until 2am will do wonders for my ability to provide quality care. In what other field would it be acceptable to deny someone the ability to make minimum wage? I have crunched the numbers, and Bill 10 will put me at about $8/hour. Denying the largest section of an industry the ability to work above the poverty line, is NOT a solution to improve quality!

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That's what a lot of us in other provinces do. Most provinces already have limits in line with Bill 10 (In NS, our own children count until age 12). But single parents tend to have second businesses or jobs if they have a day home.

I work evenings and weekends as a photographer. Others manage with Scentsy or similar side lines. I don't know any day care provider who is a single parent who DOESN'T have a second source of income because it has to be that way.

cfred I will be at the dinner in Oakville tomorrow night as well. I do NOT intend to give up my ability to make a living without a fight! I love the children in my care and (most of ;) their parents as well, and It will break my heart to have to let some of them go. Having 5 children in your home everyday is a beautiful loving experience no centre could ever top. And I've seen some great ones. Home daycares are part of the core of a strong society and I believe the Liberals are going too far and messing with the lives of our children!

Rachael, there are a lot of variables to consider when comparing province to province. Like how much it costs to license. In Ontario, it's $0 for a centre, and $13 000/year for a home daycare. Age restrictions, number of children in care, just to name a few. Home daycare is hard work and providers deserve to earn minimum wage. Better than minimum wage, even. Anyone who thinks home daycare providers should work for poverty wages, well, I'm not sure how to have a conversation with.

Rachael, I know how you feel about our fight, and that's fine. I understand that the ratios they're imposing on us now are what you've had to deal with through your whole daycare career. What I don't understand is how anyone can be ok with it. Why is this a race to the bottom? Personally, I chose this as my course of study for post secondary and, as such, my career. Surely I should have the ability and the right to make a living wage from it, no? I think it's deplorable that the standards are the way they are and that hard working people such and myself, you and every other provider should have to take a second job just to make enough to survive. This is a valid line of work and we should absolutely EXPECT to be treated fairly. If you're comfortable with it, that's totally fine. Many of us are not. Many of us would like to see change. Many of us, myself included, were complacent so long as we were able to stay afloat. But the system was still not a good one...one that respected our work and our rights...we simply had no real reason to complain. Now that they're screwing with that, some of us are taking notice AND taking action...and it's about damned time! I believe, Rachael, that we're worth more than what anyone gives us credit for. It's about time we stood up for ourselves and showed everyone that.

Naturallydaycare.... I won't be able to attend the Oakville event, regrettably. I will be at the Whitby one though....you know....if you're in the neighbourhood ;) My event last night was fantastic and we had a packed house, even with the rotten weather. Our crowd was mainly Montessori and CICPO has officially offered to form an alliance and build a stronger force in numbers. Lisa was fantastic and Julia Munroe (MPP who came to my rally in October) was there as well....and some local politicians. I'm still a little starstruck by Julia...no idea why...just really like her. Have fun at the Oakville event! And bring all these concerns up with Lisa.

If a child started Dec. 5 let's say....what would stop a daycare provider from saying they started say....Dec 1st???????

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If a child started Dec. 5 let's say....what would stop a daycare provider from saying they started say....Dec 1st???????

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If they really wanted to catch your lie it would be a matter of looking at signed contracts, tax receipts, touching base with the families in care in that time period. If they contact past clients to see that you had a full house on Dec 1st yet you claim this additional child was also there you are telling them you were over limit...which is just a whole new can of worms to open up.

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Rachael, I know how you feel about our fight, and that's fine. I understand that the ratios they're imposing on us now are what you've had to deal with through your whole daycare career. What I don't understand is how anyone can be ok with it. Why is this a race to the bottom? Personally, I chose this as my course of study for post secondary and, as such, my career. Surely I should have the ability and the right to make a living wage from it, no? I think it's deplorable that the standards are the way they are and that hard working people such and myself, you and every other provider should have to take a second job just to make enough to survive. This is a valid line of work and we should absolutely EXPECT to be treated fairly. If you're comfortable with it, that's totally fine. Many of us are not. Many of us would like to see change. Many of us, myself included, were complacent so long as we were able to stay afloat. But the system was still not a good one...one that respected our work and our rights...we simply had no real reason to complain. Now that they're screwing with that, some of us are taking notice AND taking action...and it's about damned time! I believe, Rachael, that we're worth more than what anyone gives us credit for. It's about time we stood up for ourselves and showed everyone that.

Naturallydaycare.... I won't be able to attend the Oakville event, regrettably. I will be at the Whitby one though....you know....if you're in the neighbourhood ;) My event last night was fantastic and we had a packed house, even with the rotten weather. Our crowd was mainly Montessori and CICPO has officially offered to form an alliance and build a stronger force in numbers. Lisa was fantastic and Julia Munroe (MPP who came to my rally in October) was there as well....and some local politicians. I'm still a little starstruck by Julia...no idea why...just really like her. Have fun at the Oakville event! And bring all these concerns up with Lisa.

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Seriously? A single parent asks a question and I answer that and YOU STILL THINK I'M NOT ALLOWED TO COMMENT? SERIOUSLY

F*** YOU

I have purposely avoided commenting on the BILL because you and you're groupies attack anyone for telling the truth and now you try and senser my honestly about what single parents have to do/


You must REALLY love the sound of your own voice.

You now think you know about being a single parent too? Is it every frecking aspect of life in Canada, that you view yourself as the superior knowledge of?

Again. F*** YOU


I'm done. You pretend to be about rallying together, you and your croonies, pretend that bullying (your prefered word not mine) isn't tolerated and yet, you perseve a comment that isn't there and view yourself as self-appointed-judge and jury and slap me down?

F*** YOU AGAIN


Seriously, take your head out of your arse and realize that the whole world doesnt' resolve around you.

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Seriously? A single parent asks a question and I answer that and YOU STILL THINK I'M NOT ALLOWED TO COMMENT? SERIOUSLY

F*** YOU

I have purposely avoided commenting on the BILL because you and you're groupies attack anyone for telling the truth and now you try and senser my honestly about what single parents have to do/


You must REALLY love the sound of your own voice.

You now think you know about being a single parent too? Is it every frecking aspect of life in Canada, that you view yourself as the superior knowledge of?

Again. F*** YOU


I'm done. You pretend to be about rallying together, you and your croonies, pretend that bullying (your prefered word not mine) isn't tolerated and yet, you perseve a comment that isn't there and view yourself as self-appointed-judge and jury and slap me down?

F*** YOU AGAIN


Seriously, take your head out of your arse and realize that the whole world doesnt' resolve around you.

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Hoping mods step in here...

Never have I seen someone be so disrespectful on these boards. This kind of behavior is just deplorable and I hope you get removed Rachael...seriously. ...I don't understand why you keep joining discussions on Bill 10...and I don't understand how you took offense to cfred's comment??? Surely you can see there is a double standard here...you can comment on a comment but no one else can?? This is just beyond.

Rachael, Its one thing to speak your mind, be honest, and whatever else you've claimed to be, blah blah blah - buts it another to be trashy about it. I honestly didnt see anything wrong with what Cfred said either. With all your rants on the boards and your so called "opionions" I also agree that the mods step in and remove you from the site altogether. I have never ever met someone so negative with their "opionions" ALL THE TIME! You seem absolutely miserable in all of your posts, replys etc. I cant see how someone so miserable and negative can have children in their care all day long and parents are ok with it!! You are exactly the type of person/adult I keep my kids away from!

Wow, Rachael....not sure what to say to your very enlightening post.

I don't believe I censored (not sensored) your comment or view. I simply asked why anyone would be satisfied with our childcare system remaining the way it is. Regardless of how you perceived (not perseved) my message, you clearly have misinterpreted my intent. Frankly, Racheal, I couldn't give a flying monkey what your opinion is. I am promoting CICPO and am working on a public awareness campaign surrounding Bill 10 because, in Ontario, it does in fact matter. No, I don't particularly like the sound of my voice, but I have committed myself to this campaign and will continue to do so, because for me and many others, the current state of affairs is not satisfactory. I feel we deserve better. If you're happy enough scraping by on two jobs, then by all means, go ahead and continue on. It's none of my business. I don't really care. I do care about the thousands of providers who do give a shit about their industry and are tired of being treated like they're at the bottom of the food chain while we do a very important, but vastly unappreciated job.

And for the record, yeah, I kinda know about being a single parent too.....what with having 3 children, on my own now for 15 years. And yes, my daycare has sustained this family for those 15 years....on it's own. So forgive me for not wanting to give that up without a fight.

Nice knowing you Rachael. You are perhaps one of the most unhappy, bitter people I've ever run across. Good luck to you.

What the hell is wrong with you Rachael???

I don't care WHAT the previous comment was or what it was about, when is it ever appropriate to say that to somebody??

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Wow, Rachael....not sure what to say to your very enlightening post.

I don't believe I censored (not sensored) your comment or view. I simply asked why anyone would be satisfied with our childcare system remaining the way it is. Regardless of how you perceived (not perseved) my message, you clearly have misinterpreted my intent. Frankly, Racheal, I couldn't give a flying monkey what your opinion is. I am promoting CICPO and am working on a public awareness campaign surrounding Bill 10 because, in Ontario, it does in fact matter. No, I don't particularly like the sound of my voice, but I have committed myself to this campaign and will continue to do so, because for me and many others, the current state of affairs is not satisfactory. I feel we deserve better. If you're happy enough scraping by on two jobs, then by all means, go ahead and continue on. It's none of my business. I don't really care. I do care about the thousands of providers who do give a shit about their industry and are tired of being treated like they're at the bottom of the food chain while we do a very important, but vastly unappreciated job.

And for the record, yeah, I kinda know about being a single parent too.....what with having 3 children, on my own now for 15 years. And yes, my daycare has sustained this family for those 15 years....on it's own. So forgive me for not wanting to give that up without a fight.

Nice knowing you Rachael. You are perhaps one of the most unhappy, bitter people I've ever run across. Good luck to you.

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You lying B****.

You didn't give two shits about the state of the day care industry when it was every province BUT yours being affected.

You only gave a s*** when it affected you.

Don't give the fight the good cause for us all line - You state you've been in day care for 15 years and yet you've done fuck all for any province, all of who have lower allowances then BILL 10 provides.

You are all about yourself. And that's fine. But just be honest.

You didn't care about anyone else's issue. You didn't care that most of us have two jobs. You didn't care about any of it until it affected you.

So, you're a lying b****.

Hope you need three jobs.

I'm done.

This place is beyond toxic.

Feel free to all add your sad little comments below, and falg to the Mods. I wont be back to read them. Keep lying to each other. And pretending to believe one another.

I'd like to say it was nice knowing you, but that would be me lying.

Incredible.

Wow Rachael! You definitely woke up on the wrong side of the bed today! Cfred was merely stating that she understands how you feel about Bill 10 and she stated that we in Ontario have the right to stand up and fight for our livelihood. Our Government is treating us like dirt and is trying to put Independent Childcare Providers out of business. What may be a normal operating standard for you in NS isnt normal for us in ON. This Bill was brought in with no input from independent home daycare providers and was based on suggestions from daycare agencies who gouge the providers that are contracted by them. It also came about because of a tragic death in an illegal home daycare with 35 CHILDREN and 14 DOGS, 5 complaints were lodged against the provider and NOT ONE of them was investigated by the government. The government in this province did not do their job and because of that a child died!
The government in this province says Bill 10 will increase safety and government oversight with regard to unlicensed home daycare. Well that isnt going to happen because they WON'T allow us to be licensed nor will the allow a registry so that they can inspect us and INSURE that the children in our care are safe!
So yes, we are pissed and we have every right to be! And we are not bullies or cronies as you called us Rachael! We are simply proud business women trying to provide for our families and provide a safe, loving environment for all of the children in Ontario!
I am really sorry that you have such a rough life but you have no right to take it out on people you don't even know! If the government in your province was trying to destroy your business, would you just lie down and let them?! I think not!

Rachel why would Ontario daycare providers know anything about daycare in other provinces? Were you aware of Ontario ratios and regulations before you were informed? I'm so glad that people like Cfed have taken up the fight on behalf of ALL Ontario providers and have taken the time to keep us informed about them. I had no idea!
You seem to be a nasty person. I can't believe someone with your temper has been entrusted with the care of children

Wow - not even sure what say?? write our sad little comments below?? what a joke! You are obviously a very sad, unhappy, lonely women who needs help with some obvious anger issues. Bill 10 has nothing to do with you or your province so start a thread about something going on in your province and cry the blues about your problems over there.
And I guarentee YOU WILL be coming back to read these posts and YOU WILL respond. On a serious note - How do you run a daycare, I mean literally right now, kids are in your home and you have soooo much anger?? I couldnt even imagine my child in an enviroment with a women with such vulgar language?A women so angry while my child is in her home?? I mean I am totally shocked?

Nope, not a lying bitch. I flat out stated that I didn't pay much mind to the state of affairs until this happened. I've admitted to that openly. I'm no different than 90% of the other providers in here in that regard. But, now I'm paying attention and yep, it's because I'd not really thought much about it before. I was honest about that. Regardless of how I got into this, I'm in it and I'm working hard toward it. If you don't like it, that's completely fine. Honestly, we're just as happy not to have someone so unbalanced involved, so you can go ahead and spout your venom elsewhere. This is an Ontario issue...though one of our people has begun a site for Canadian Daycare Providers United, which is pretty cool. I plan to be involved in that as well. With me being Satan and all, though, I'm sure you'll steer clear ;)

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Feel free to all add your sad little comments below, and falg to the Mods. I wont be back to read them. Keep lying to each other. And pretending to believe one another.

I'd like to say it was nice knowing you, but that would be me lying.

Incredible.

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And to that I say good riddance.

And the cream rises to the top! Good job cfred for keeping your composure and professionalism. It must have been hard especially when someone is attacking you. Keep up the good job and thank you for standing up and taking a leadership role in the fight. If it were left up to people like this women, we would all be doomed. At least with people like yourself who are professional and composed under harsh circumstances we may have a fighting chance to amend some of Bill 10. Keep your chin up, brush this lady off and keep on doing what your doing! Thank you!

I agree. I have seen a lot of Nasty in online forums. Still shake my head sometimes. I still can't believe anyone can openly say that it should be acceptable to work a 10-12 hour job, and still need a second just to scrape by with a family. I have increasingly come to realize JUST HOW incredibly important our profession is. I always knew it was, but the more I think about the upbringing offered in most centre environments (no offence meant!) just not what I would want for my child. We offer a beautiful alternative. People WILL realize what society is risking to lose with Bill 10. This is a much bigger issue than provider's income. So many children I have helped raise could NOT possibly do well in a centre. Too shy, need the close attachment of a single caring provider and a comfortable home environment. I am sincerely terrified for not only the future of my family, but the future of all those littles who thrive in a home daycare environment, but will be denied that because big centres pay more taxes and have more sway.

There is love in my arms, love in my home, love in my menu, and love in my program. I have come to love every single child in my care and the government is trying to take away my ability to do this job and pay the bills. Compound this by every provider who will need to change professions and January 16, 2016 will be a very very sad day for Ontario.

Thanks for the kind words ladies! Not to worry....didn't really bug me at all. We've butted heads before and I know where it's coming from.

Yes, this is an important issue and I'll keep plugging along with the rest of the folks working hard. What's kind of excellent about the whole thing is, that for the first time, I'm discovering that I enjoy this kind of thing and am not too bad at it to boot! Had a great time last night schmoozing with politicians and Montessori reps....it was a great event and the photos can be viewed on CICPO, Moms4Lisa, Ontario Families and Providers Against Bill 143. We had an awesome turn out and I hope the next one I've just taken over in Whitby is just as successful! I'll sort out the details for that one, post the info and hope to see some of you there!

I apologize, Ladies (and Gents) if this has come up in this thread as I haven't had a chance to read it all yet BUT I am working with CICPO to collect stories of the impact of this Bill (ie: daycares closing, parents being turned away because of 2 under 2, rates being increased, etc.). We are collecting this data for the Ontario Ombudsman to show how truly devastating this Bill is going to be for Ontario families and caregivers. If any of the above applies to you, please email me at khsw@outlook.com. Thank you so much!

I completely 100% agree that our job is an important one and one that I wish more people gave recognition too!! I wish all of you who are dealing with/fighting to change this bill the absolute best and hope that it ends well in favour of hdcp's!!

However, I just wanted to mention that it's fairly common for business owners to not make minimum wage. Not saying it makes it right, just that it does happen in other fields.

With just my 4, I make over minimum wage but that's before I deduct my expenses to run my business. Everyone's expenses will be different though so what I make an hour will be totally different than what another dcp in the same city as me will make.

Good luck!!! :)

Thanks 5LM! I know, you're absolutely right. That's one of the hazards of running your own business. And you're right in that we all have our own 'schtick' so our expenses all vary. I've seen a few home daycares that are absolutely spectacular. Their fees are quite high, but man...I don't know how they make any profit putting out the expenses that they do! They must be fantastic at handling money...I'd be broke!

So far as this industry goes, I'm hoping, as are some of us in CICPO, that this will bloom into more than just an Ontario endeavor. One of our members has spearheaded the Canadian Home Daycare Providers United project. We've all had our eye on the UCC issue, so that's a great project to get on the go in light of that possibility. Once I'm done with my bit in Lisa's campaign tour as it relates to Montessori outreach and CICPO, then I'll probably look at things on a larger scale. We have to take everything one step at a time, but look forward to having an impact in more places than just Ontario.

Where are you, 5LM, out of curiosity?

That's awesome to hear cfred!!

I'm in MB :)

Ahhh, Manitoba! I have a friend out in Brandon. In Manitoba is the first time I've been to a bar with a bull ride...it was actually pretty cool (didn't do the ride though).

There's a FB site from Australia that the Canadian Home Daycare United's founder has discovered and she's in touch with the founder of that. Family Daycare Educators United is the Australian group and they've been holding marches all across Australia. She said that change is possible as they're discovering. Sooooo....that might be a good read for some of you from other provinces. I don't know....I thought it sounded really great and I look forward to learning more about it when I slow down with the stuff I'm currently ensconced in.

Thanks for your well wishes 5LM :)

Ok cfred, you got me, but it took 4 attempts to remember my password, haha. I applaud all of your hard work and I know you've done more than most to educate other caregivers. You don't want any hardworking caregiver in Ontario to be subjected to a $200,000 fine (about the equivalent of 7 years of income before deductions) because they didn't hear about Bill 10's new laws regarding their business. You have spread the word and worked with MPP Lisa McLeod and Garfield Dunlop and CICPO, who have been on our side and fighting for us. You have been dignified, professional, wise and wonderful! Thank you so much! Ok, I'm gone again, lol!!!!!

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Ahhh, Manitoba! I have a friend out in Brandon. In Manitoba is the first time I've been to a bar with a bull ride...it was actually pretty cool (didn't do the ride though).

There's a FB site from Australia that the Canadian Home Daycare United's founder has discovered and she's in touch with the founder of that. Family Daycare Educators United is the Australian group and they've been holding marches all across Australia. She said that change is possible as they're discovering. Sooooo....that might be a good read for some of you from other provinces. I don't know....I thought it sounded really great and I look forward to learning more about it when I slow down with the stuff I'm currently ensconced in.

Thanks for your well wishes 5LM :)

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LOL....Houston's Bar??? I'm in Brandon as well :)

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LOL....Houston's Bar??? I'm in Brandon as well :)

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I'm not going to brag, but one year I almost won. ;)
I was runner up in the tournament. I was much younger of course. Haha!

Might have been Houstons....pretty big place as I remember. The bull was attached to 4 ropes with guys pulling from the corners. Wow....small world!

I contemplated riding the bull, but chickened out in the end. I commend you for actually riding a tournament!

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Might have been Houstons....pretty big place as I remember. The bull was attached to 4 ropes with guys pulling from the corners. Wow....small world!

I contemplated riding the bull, but chickened out in the end. I commend you for actually riding a tournament!

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Yep that's Houston's. I was much younger!

Small world indeed!! I haven't been there in about 5 years....my bar days were even over before then but I had a bachelorette party there for a friend lol. The bull has been gone for quite some time now I think :( I never had the courage to go on either! Wayyyyyy to shy!!!! Lol

I actually just said to my husband tonight...."remember how good the smokies were outside the bar. We should just go get a smokie".....he looked at me like I was crazy, needless to say....I didn't get a smokie LMAO

Cfred since I am on CIPCO and a team lead with you hope you don't mind me posting my Meet & Greet with Lisa MacLeod for any ladies who are in the Toronto area and where not able to make it to any of the other ones mine is February 17 at 6:30 RSVP to kwilkin1@rogers.com by February 6, 2015 hope to have a good a turn out as you did last week.

Kar1, of course, let everyone know! Thanks! Everyone's doing such a great job on this! Do you have your location booked?

I'm taking over the one in Whitby on Feb 15th from 1pm-2:30pm at Montana's (75 Consumer Drive, Whitby). If anyone is in a reasonable driving distance and wants to come over, please feel free. Lisa's awesome...and a hugger :) This event will also be 100% bill 10 and I'll be reaching out to Montessori schools over the next week. You can RSVP me at c.a.fredenburgh@gmai l.com. We had a really good crowd at the Newmarket event and I'd love to repeat that. Really good networking opportunity!