How do you feel about vaccinations?

Because we do not get provincial or federal money we are not bound by the discrimination rules or at least that is what I have been given to understand. It is up to us to decide the perameters of our program as to the ages we will care for, the disabilities we feel comfortable with, the type of program we are going to offer, the foods, outings, religious celebrations, etc. It is then up to parents to decide if what we are offering meets their requirements. It is not our responsibility to change what we are offering to meet the needs of the parents. It is their responsibility to choose a different program. We are not discriminating; we are simply setting the standards of our program. Any parent is welcome to come and accept what I offer and how I offer it.

Ditto-on playfelts post.

"nobody in Canada can be forced to receive a vaccination. In some cases, nursery schools, daycares, and other schools which are privately owned and operated can demand vaccination for enrollment. But publically-funded schools and daycares cannot."

You are right! I still personnally think it's discrimination, but it is not against the law!

Sarah

It is not possible to fulfill the needs of every family you interview. Having a home daycare means you work with families that feel that your daycare can meet their needs and vice versa.

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Originally Posted by playfelt

Because we do not get provincial or federal money we are not bound by the discrimination rules or at least that is what I have been given to understand. It is up to us to decide the perameters of our program as to the ages we will care for, the disabilities we feel comfortable with, the type of program we are going to offer, the foods, outings, religious celebrations, etc. It is then up to parents to decide if what we are offering meets their requirements. It is not our responsibility to change what we are offering to meet the needs of the parents. It is their responsibility to choose a different program. We are not discriminating; we are simply setting the standards of our program. Any parent is welcome to come and accept what I offer and how I offer it.

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I am anti-vaccination. I would NEVER vax my own kids.

BUT, I agree with your post.

I look at it this way.....what if a parent came to me wanting daycare for their special needs child?? I KNOW I would refuse them because, well, one, I am not a special needs provider, and two, I just DON'T want to care for a special needs child. I admit it - I just don't WANT to! And no, I don't mean to offend anyone by that statement.

So, just like non-vaxed kids, should we be FORCED to take on a kid who we do not feel comfortable caring for?? And then, on top of that should we feel BAD for that decision??

My answer is NO! We are SELF-employed. If we wanted to have someone constantly telling us what to do, when to work, how to work, how we will approach that work, what clients to deal with then we would go get a job outside the home where we also get FULL benefits, paid vacation, a pension plan and stock options.

But guess what? These parents are not my employers - therefore they get NO say in whom I accept into my care and the reasons I do or do not accept said child(ren). Now, if they want to suddenly pay my CPP portion, offer me WSIB, all those benefits as listed above like that paid vacation and full benefits then HELL, I'll care for anyone you want me to!

Enough said.

Judy-well said! I completely agree. I do not think providers should be judged for creating a care environment that they are most comfortable with-when the care provider is comfortable-it means good quality of care.

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Originally Posted by Judy Trickett

I am anti-vaccination. I would NEVER vax my own kids.

BUT, I agree with your post.

I look at it this way.....what if a parent came to me wanting daycare for their special needs child?? I KNOW I would refuse them because, well, one, I am not a special needs provider, and two, I just DON'T want to care for a special needs child. I admit it - I just don't WANT to! And no, I don't mean to offend anyone by that statement.

So, just like non-vaxed kids, should we be FORCED to take on a kid who we do not feel comfortable caring for?? And then, on top of that should we feel BAD for that decision??

I don't think you can compare a special needs caring to a non vaxed kid. One requires special knowledge and often more tasks, the other one you don't even need to know.

My answer is NO! We are SELF-employed. If we wanted to have someone constantly telling us what to do, when to work, how to work, how we will approach that work, what clients to deal with then we would go get a job outside the home where we also get FULL benefits, paid vacation, a pension plan and stock options.

But guess what? These parents are not my employers - therefore they get NO say in whom I accept into my care and the reasons I do or do not accept said child(ren). Now, if they want to suddenly pay my CPP portion, offer me WSIB, all those benefits as listed above like that paid vacation and full benefits then HELL, I'll care for anyone you want me to!

Enough said.

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I am sorry, we are self employed yes, we are not bounded by any specific laws, as I found out, but we are still human beings. I am not talking about who is for or against vaccination, since this is "ones" business and surely not mine that is as a provider and as anothor human being. Our country, our province decided that they would not force anybody to get vaxed, so who are we to require our customers to be.

In conclusion, it is not because the law doesn't tell me it's wrong that it is not wrong to me. But it is truly understandable that self employed could manage their daycares as they wish...until people start complening about the discrimination that self employed people do and then a law for self employed vs discrimination will appear.

I'm sorry, you can see that discrimination is a hot topic for me! lol!!!

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Originally Posted by Sarah

I am sorry, we are self employed yes, we are not bounded by any specific laws, as I found out, but we are still human beings. I am not talking about who is for or against vaccination, since this is "ones" business and surely not mine that is as a provider and as anothor human being. Our country, our province decided that they would not force anybody to get vaxed, so who are we to require our customers to be.

In conclusion, it is not because the law doesn't tell me it's wrong that it is not wrong to me. But it is truly understandable that self employed could manage their daycares as they wish...until people start complening about the discrimination that self employed people do and then a law for self employed vs discrimination will appear.

I'm sorry, you can see that discrimination is a hot topic for me! lol!!!

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I truly believe that parents should do whatever they believe is best for their child and family. It is true that no one should dictate how you care for YOUR OWN CHILD.

Just as I believe that no one should dictate who you let into your private home.

Whatever the issue, providers need to be able to decide which families they enrol in their daycare because it requires that these families regularly be in that providers HOME-therefore they must be completely comfortable with that family and their needs and expectations.

A providers home is NOT public property-or this would be a completely different topic.

Done and done.

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Originally Posted by Dreamtree

I truly believe that parents should do whatever they believe is best for their child and family. It is true that no one should dictate how you care for YOUR OWN CHILD.

Just as I believe that no one should dictate who you let into your private home.

Whatever the issue, providers need to be able to decide which families they enrol in their daycare because it requires that these families regularly be in that providers HOME-therefore they must be completely comfortable with that family and their needs and expectations.

A providers home is NOT public property-or this would be a completely different topic.

Done and done.

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Again, I agree.

Besides, I have to wonder....why would a parent even WANT their child in the care of someone who doesn't even want them there?? Fighting it and suing you for it isn't gonna make you WANT to care for that child any more. If anything, it will just make you resentful. I don't know about you, but I would never want my kids in the car of someone who was basically FORCED to take them on.

Hell, I know Medical Doctors who refuse to care for unvaxed kids. Sure, they might not be legally allowed to refuse service but they still DO and I can tell you they ARE still in business. Why should WE be any different???

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Originally Posted by Judy Trickett

Again, I agree.

Besides, I have to wonder....why would a parent even WANT their child in the care of someone who doesn't even want them there?? Fighting it and suing you for it isn't gonna make you WANT to care for that child any more. If anything, it will just make you resentful. I don't know about you, but I would never want my kids in the car of someone who was basically FORCED to take them on.

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I agree and have wondered the same thing-it doesn't make sense to me.