Who would you believe.??

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Originally Posted by bright sparks

I thought this was a no because their parent is supervising and is in no way a part of your daycare. What next...please leave yor Childs sibling in the car when dropping off and picking up because it puts me over ratio....what a crock!!

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I'm sorry....I agree bright sparks...this is utter nonsense....I will probably ALWAYS at one time or another be having a parent pick up their younger child in the evening...and bringing along their older child who is no longer with me because they are in school...I WILL NOT BE ASKING THEM TO KEEP THEM IN THE CAR UNATTENDED....THIS IS B.S.

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Originally Posted by kindertime

What you are describing is what we have here, minus the subsidy part. I completely understand why you are saying this, and I agree, but the reality of this kind of a plan would likely be worse for a lot of you than it is now. In order to be visited, there has to be someone to do the visiting. A person with their own opinions and beliefs. The daycare providers won't get to pick who that is, so what if the person doing that job, doesn't like you? What if s/he doesn't like daycares in basements, or doesn't like the way you have your play spaces arranged? There is usually a lot of room for interpretation and misunderstanding in rules and laws. (That's why the lawyers get paid the big bucks!)

In my area, we have a great office for our support, but in some of them, holy cow! I feel really sorry for a lot of the providers and what they have to put up with. For example, the provider was going to lose her licence because the windows of the basement were 1 inch too high on the wall, according to the person doing the inspection. There are stories of the inspectors going into the provider's bedroom and rifling through the dresser drawers. These were the types of situations where the provider had no recourse. There was no one to turn to. Then we unionized. And that just opened up a whole other kettle of fish!

What you are suggesting, makes sense, on paper, but when people are involved, things just get more and more complicated. You would lose more and more of the freedom you want and in the end, the people who want to do something illegal, will still do it! Like I posted yesterday, daycare fraud is a very big business in Que. and we have to most structured system in the country.

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Riffling through the dresser drawers! They CANNOT come into your home...go up to your bedroom and go through your dresser drawers! SERIOUSLY....WHAT THE HELL!....You said it...."there are STORIES"...AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE....THINK ABOUT IT....

Your new rules seem to be somewhat similar to Manitoba. For private we are allowed 4 kids (5-8 if licensed). Of those 4 only 2 can be under 2. All children in the home are counted. So even if my husband is home with my daughter upstairs (daycare is completely in the basement) she is still counted. Our fines are not that strict though.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter who you believe (what they said on the phone versus what they wrote) what is in writing pretty much always over rules spoken word. Hopefully they clarify this before it comes into effect as it clearly isn't very intelligent as is!

My concern is if they sent in the questions as on the FAQ sheet it was all grouped together and they just answered accordingly. BUT I do believe that common sense will prevail. There is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. The problem is you could have a mom and child over to play and then as soon as an inspector shows up say oh they are just dropping off even if it is mid morning since child could have had an appointment. The no is so that the privilege of using common sense at the door for 5 minutes twice a day is not abused.

I agree the hysteria level has reached epic proportions - and I am one of the biggest nail biters. I have two older boys that no longer come to my daycare but pass by my house. Their mom told them that in the event of a thunderstorm they are to ring my doorbell and stand in my garage till she can pick them up. She didn't ask me, I heard from one of them. So now I must tell her that because of this INSANE bill her two boys must risk injury rather than the common sense approach that any of our mothers in years past would have told us to do.

Clearly the Libs do not want us in business. Pay your bills ladies and anyone younger than 40 get a new line of work.

I would hope that CIPCO would start collecting these scenario stories too to also share as to how silly/dangerous the rules are becoming and asking what the repercussions are for when people act like good people and let a child come in out of a lightening storm, or panic every Thursday when the 9 year old down the street delivers the penny saver newspaper, etc.