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That is horrible! I am so sorry this happened to you. Do you have an recourse or can you appeal it in any way?

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This actually makes me angry!!! Of course we can't always be 100% sure that real abuse and neglect is happening. That is what CFS is for!!!! They get calls from concerned citizens and it is THEIR job to investigate!

This judge is an idiot and now will be increasing the risk for abused children to go unnoticed by the system because concerned people like you will now be terrified to report it. Sooo sad!!

I'm so sorry and baffled that this was the outcome. We are mandated reporters are we not? I really feel this should be taken to the media.

I really don't understand this at all. I have worked with CAS intimately and have made many reports (when I worked as a social worker) this is disgusting. There are supposed to be no repercussions as long as there was no malice. You can even make the calls anonymously which they can't exactly follow up when the report is malicious anyways.

Oh no! I am so sorry to hear that! How unfair, and yes we are mandated reporters. I would definitely be appealing it!

I absolutely can't believe that! That's just nuts! I hope you can appeal that!

There is nothing I can say that will make you feel any better. I'm shocked at the outcome...genuinely. I'm so very sorry this has happened to you.

This is absolutely heartbreaking news, I am so choked up about this. The whole ordeal was bad enough given that you were only looking out for the best interests of the child but this kind of verdict really does have me losing faith in our social and justice system WTF!?! Really, anyone can see this was family retaliating because you took action against them breaking their contract. I hope you are able to get some kind of support and I think given all the spot lights on childcare right now, a call to a national newspaper would be a good move to bring to light how us as independent daycare providers are forever left out to the dogs, with little resources and/or help in providing the best possible care. It is our duty to report and our hope that we are wrong. This really is stacking the odds of an increase in neglect and abuse going unreported if these are the potential outcomes. Without malice how can this be the verdict. I am so so sorry for this BS. How can people sleep at night. Sending you lots of hugs and positive energy for the road ahead.

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What about online fundraising like go fund me? I don't know much about these things, but maybe enough of us could give a little bit to help you hire a lawyer?

I just feel horrible for you teagansmom!! You are being put in a very unfair situation. You should not be punished for reporting something that you were honestly worried about and made without malice. I am just so shocked that the judge ruled that!!

There are many many people who report to CFS (in MB it's Child and Family Services) daily and they are not sued. It is not up to the public to determine if abuse is happening and the judge should know that!! It is up to the public to watch out for children who may be possibly abused and report it and than CFS needs to investigate.

Know that you did the right thing!!! I am so sorry you are being punished for it though!! That judge needs to be fired!

They actually teach you in school that it is not your job to find out if the abuse is happening but to make the call as this is the CAS's job

I'm having a brain fart and it's totally off topic but what does the A stand for in CAS?

Children's Aid Society

Thank you!! I would have never guessed that lol

I would absolutely be contacting the media with this. I've never in my life heard of something like this. Unbelievable! As childcare providers we are legally bound to report concerns to CAS!!! I know you're not ECE, but I would assume that goes for anyone in a position of trust with children. Wow.....what an absolutely shitty family. I'm really, really sorry.

Miss Teagansmom ; Why does you day care insurance not pay for this monies?

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I'm sure she didn't mean it as a jab....no one in here is that mean. I'm sure she's probably genuine in her question.

I agree...I didn't read it as a jab either. So sorry that this is happening to you! It's just disgusting what the judge said.....

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That's good news!

This sounds promising! Please keep us in the loop and GOOD LUCK!

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I am so glad to hear this. That being said, is this not something CICPO could help support Tegan's mom with CFred? I know they came to be because of Bill10 but they are the best thing we have to a college/union to support us.

Which CAS is it Tegan's mom? We should all send an email to them letting them know our concerns about the outcome and how this makes us weary to report suspected abuse in the future. Might push them to help you more.

I'm glad to hear that CAS is not just sitting on the sidelines. In my mind, that sounds quite promising. I was under the impression that, in a position of authority and trust working with young children, that the onus is on us to report and that we're liable for failing to do so. I'm utterly shocked.

I can bring it up with the folks at CICPO. I don't think we'd be able to do much in the way of helping with the situation specifically, but will certainly ask. It could perhaps be spun to show the inherent risks of a vastly undervalued profession. I will bring it up. Teagansmom....are you ok with me passing your story on to the group?

I am absolutely horrified. Unless they proved malicious intent without doubt they CANNOT penalize you for reporting to CAS. That defeats the whole system. This is not right and not fair. And I am so pissed that you are suffering on this. The trial was bad enough...but to LOSE?
I agree with the above. Get CAS to help in writing. And GO TO THE MEDIA with CAS support. I imagine most parents and caregivers would be as outraged as this forum is.
ps: I think the question about insurance was a good one not designed to hurt you. I think she was most likely concerned about her protection in cases like this.

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I'm shocked and sorry to hear this! I really hope you can appeal and the CAS will help you

I haven't been on these boards long, so I don't know the specifics of your situation, but I do know this:

It's not up to the person who is concerned about abuse/neglect to determine if there is in fact abuse/neglect. That's CAS's job. ANY Children's Aid Society will tell you that. If you have concerns, you call and THEY investigate.

Also, EVERYONE is a mandated reporter. If you see or are aware of abuse/neglect happening, you are obligated to report to CAS. It's not just doctors/teachers/people in power. There may be negative consequences in certain professions for not reporting, but everyone has an obligation to report.

I'm sorry this is happening to you.

Honestly, I think this needs to be picked up by the media. The potential long-range consequences to a having a precedent set that would allow concerned people to be punished for calling about a legitimate concern is so dangerous. Think about all the children who could be harmed or even worse because people are afraid to report.

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This makes me scared to report any suspected abuse for sure! If you can't get a lawyer yet, can you represent yourself? In your appeal, ask the judge to provide you with reference as to where the information is stating you need to be certified to report any suspected abuse. When you sue the family, sue for lost income because of the closure due to emotional distress. It would be very hard to work after you were fined for just doing your job. Maybe you could just take a break for a while and reopen (just would hate to have you loose your house)? Then if you're just done with daycare for sure, make long term career changes. There are wonderful families out there. It's too bad families like this have to ruin it.

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They say it's against the law if we don't report suspected abuse, but then get fined if we do! I think you got a case here! I think we all need to call the court house asking how us childcare providers need to be 'certified' in reporting child abuse. Are we suppose to let abuse occur cuz we are only childcare providers? I have a degree in education/teachers certificate and I never have taken a course on child abuse so how are teachers 'certified' too? The media should do a story about how childcare providers are not allowed to report suspect abuse since they run a risk of being sued because they are only childcare providers. I think this is something all Canadian daycare providers need to know so we don't get sued. It doesn't matter whether a person is unlicenced or licenced, we are still providing a service for children. Spread the word on social media news sites too. Start a facebook page! I'm really mad about this, sorry if I'm rambling.

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If you are concerned about a child being abused/neglected, it is reasonable grounds to contact the CAS. What if this child died due to abuse/neglect, you'd then be sued for not reporting your concerns! This judge is not making sense, he says your 'certified' to report your concerns to the family and/or doctor but not certified enough to report your concerns to the CAS?? You're either certified or not. I'd start a facebook page asap saying Toronto judge claims people must be certified to report child abuse. Then pressure will be on him when we all ask why daycare providers are not certified to make reports. I'm sure alot of people will come forward saying they have made reports before. Why are they allowed to make reports then, they are not certified according to this judge.

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