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    http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/house-pro...ss=2&locale=en

    If you go to the legislature website you can read the debates (hansard) which is basically the word for word of what went on in the chamber - ie the discussion. You can see where the debate was tabled and then scroll down to each section labelled childcare and you can read what each person that spoke read. If we do this daily we should have a better idea of when and how this will pass. The other parties are not simply jumping on the bandwagon yet. That does buy us some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by playfelt View Post
    http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/house-pro...ss=2&locale=en

    If you go to the legislature website you can read the dabates (hansard) which is basically the word for word of what went on in the chamber - ie the discussion. You can see where the debate was tabled and then scroll down to each section labelled childcare and you can read what each person that spoke read. If we do this daily we should have a better idea of when and how this will pass. The other parties are not simply jumping on the bandwagon yet. That does buy us some time.

    Thank you for the link! It seems that this still will take a little bit of time based on what has been mentioned, such as:

    Miss Monique Taylor:

    This is an extensive bill, and it is one that we will need to look at very closely. We have a general overview, but we know that the devil is always in the details. New Democrats want to see prompt debate on this bill, and we want to see extensive hearings at committee, to make sure that we’re finally getting it right.

    Existing problems in the child care sector just don’t require new legislation; they require commitment to action. This government must act on each and every complaint received about child care in Ontario, and they must ensure that there are enough inspectors to do the job. New legislation won’t save lives if complaints continue to be ignored.

    I also look forward to the forthcoming recommendations from the Ombudsman on this matter. I hope that those recommendations, along with a thorough review of the new legislation, can be used to improve child care in Ontario.

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    Playfelt...again I can't get the link to work...but maybe it is bogged down. I will keep trying. I am wondering how they will actually get the new rules to unlicensed caregivers. I mean, many of us are here and informed...but we all know many many caregivers have no clue that this is happening. Do you think they will use income taxes to determine who is a caregiver and send us all something with the new rules? Of course those who are not reporting their income will be missed...but they are already illegal, so no change there.
    I decided to tell my daycare parents and ask them to write letters to oppose this. I told them not to panic as we don't know if or when this will come into effect, but I did tell them that if it passes I will have to let two of the kids go. I am hoping they will write letters. I think we need all the support we can get.

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    Okay, I got on. And I can also see the the second reading of the act is planned for tomorrow. I will be keeping my eyes on that tomorrow for sure to see how things are looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Other Mummy View Post
    I have 6 children in care at the moment (my 3 year old daughter is included in this count along with my 5 daycare kids). I have a 5 year old and a 10 year old in school full time. My school aged kids are out of the house from 8:30 until 3:30. Some of my daycare kids get dropped off at 9:00am and leave by 4:30. So I will have an overlap of an hour a day.

    If this passes I'm only going to let 1 family go (then I will still have 5 kids total in care during the day, my own 3 year old and 4 daycare kids).

    How is the gov't going to enforce situations where the school aged children aren't even home during daycare hours (eg. maybe they have after school programs and don't get home till after 4:30). What if there is some sort of overlap.
    How are they going to count this? This will be very hard to enforce.
    What about the summer and pd days?

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    I have read the transcripts of the proceedings, and I've read several newspaper articles. I cannot see mention of the "3 under 3" rule anywhere. The proposed legislation mentions no more than 5 children in an unregulated daycare, or 6 in a regulated daycare. In both situations the daycare provider's children would now be counted, so the "5 plus your own" rule is gone. In both situations, you can have no more than two children under two years of age.

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    I think that's correct treeholm......just 2 under 2. Again, I THINK. Thank doG for small miracles. The 2 under 2 still sucks, but is better than the other. How's your set up looking? Have to cut anyone?

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    So ... What I want to know is what we NEED to do. What's the plan to help get our side spoken and heard before this is passed. Are we rallying or what ? Because I really don't get how this new bill is going to save a childs life. Most fatal incidents were in daycares already ''illegal' ... so really this to me is just a political thing. There SHOULD be new regulations and put in place with a PLAN a clear PLAN not just like this. SO what ?? Do we all right to our MP's with statements from our parents ?? Are we going down there what ? This new bill doe nothing but cut throats !

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    Quote Originally Posted by crafty View Post
    So ... What I want to know is what we NEED to do. What's the plan to help get our side spoken and heard before this is passed. Are we rallying or what ? Because I really don't get how this new bill is going to save a childs life. Most fatal incidents were in daycares already ''illegal' ... so really this to me is just a political thing. There SHOULD be new regulations and put in place with a PLAN a clear PLAN not just like this. SO what ?? Do we all right to our MP's with statements from our parents ?? Are we going down there what ? This new bill doe nothing but cut throats !
    I have written a letter to each of the people in this list (provided by the CCPRN). I have also told my dc parents what is happening and asked them to write letters as well detailing how this will affect them personally.

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    lsandals.mpp@liberal .ola.org Hon Liz Sandals (Minister of Education)

    bbalkissoon.mpp@libe ral.ola.org Bas Balkissoon (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Education)

    Jim.Grieve@ontario.c a Jim Grieve (Assistant Deputy Minister, Early Learning Division, Ministry of Education)

    rob.leone@pc.ola.org Rob Leone (Conservative Opposition/Education Critic)

    tabunsp-qp@ndp.on.ca Peter Tabuns (NDP Opposition/Education Critic)

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    I think what makes me more mad than anything else is that because of a parents error-being neglectful that now we all have to suffer including parents because they won't have no where to go. I really think we need to go after this parent and sue the pants off of her because she wanted cheap daycare well thats great but now we are all going to lose our incomes because of her.

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